30-06 question?

A .308 175 gr target load is about 35 MOA from 100 to 1000 yards.
A good stout .30-06 load will shot a bit flatter but not a lot.
So you need plenty of adjustment and very likely a tapered base.

It only takes about 15 MOA to go from 100 to 600, midrange is a good place to start stretching your capabilities.
 
I bought the cheapest of the cheap barska 6-24x scope and I can just as easily find a target at 100 yards as I can at 1000.
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Finding the target is one thing. Hitting it is another. According to my ballistics calculator, if you zero at 300 yds, you are going to have somewhere just over 300" of hold over at 1000. If you zero at 1000, you'll have somewhere around 90" of hold under at 300. The OP's desire for a rifle to do it all is just unrealistic.
 
Lets not get too carried away here. The '06 can be and has been used at 1000 yard matches. With and without a scope.

I've done a great deal of 1000 yard shooting when I shot for the Guard and still do. I admit that most has been with a 308 (M1A) and a 300 WM (Model 70 target rifle).

You are not limited to 1000 yards with an '06, with the proper bullet you can get well beyond that.

I now use a Model 70 (Vietnam Era Sniper Rifle Clone) for 1000 yard shooting. (got tired of the 300 WM beatingme up) I don't load hot, I keep the 175 SMK down to about 2650 FPS because I use the same round in my 1903a3, 1917, and M1 Garand.

As to glass, I use a Weaver T-10 with weaver mounts and rings. I've never ran out of elevation.

What you don't want is too much magnification as it causes mirage to wash out the target. Another problem with scopes on long rang rifles is they tend to pick up heat mirage off the barrel.

Simple fix, keep the magnification between 6 & 12 X, and use a barrel band to brake up the heat off the barrel. If you want higher magnification to read mirage/wind, get a spotting scope to use with your rifle.

Using the 175 SMK at 2650 fps you only need 35 MOA adjustments when zeroed at 100 yards. Most scopes will give you that. You can get to1400 yards before you go sub-sonic.

If you're only using the round in your Model 70, and don't have to worry about your ammo beating up the gas system of a Garand, you can speed the bullet up a bit and get by with less elevation movement on your scope/bases.

They still shoot a heck of a lot of iron sights in 1000 yard matches. Don't get hung up on high magnification on scopes.
 
Should a LR shooter be at a 100 or 200 zero?
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I use 200 yards as a base, then spin the knobs to put in elevation based on the range. Make sure you put it back when you are done. This is why target turrets are important, they can be indexed to put the "0" mark where you want it.

This is also why a quality scope is important. If you put 25 MOA in, you want 25 MOA to come back out when you spin it back to zero.

I personally don't touch the windage knob, I hold off using a mil-dot reticle.
 
You must be talking about the Manatee Gun Club, that's where me and my sons go- fantastic range.

In addition to the "paper" distances, the long range berms are at 565 yards, and 1000 yards, with steel of various sizes so you can shoot at what best suits your skill level. You can also bring your own steel, and a lot of guys put clays on the berms as well.

Equip your rifle with a 20 MOA base, and zero at 200 or 300 yards- unless you actually plan on shooting at 100... this just means less turret twisting to get to range once set back to zero. Even with a 20 minute base, there are some scopes that still won't have enough adjustment to get to 1000 yards.

The .06 is VERY capable as a 1,000 yard round...don't listen to anyone telling you otherwise, it's BS...
It's just not as popular these days because of the long action (if you're going long action for long range, the .300 WM is preferred), and the .30 cal bullets.

Here's an example, using Black Hills Gold, match ammo, 168 grain Hornady BTHP (BC of .45) with a MV of 2700 FPS, and a 200 yard zero:

Come-up at 600 yards- 13.7 MOA
Come-up at 1000 yards- 36.9 MOA, still supersonic at 1167 fps and 508 ft/lbs of energy.

So...
Roughly 40 minutes of come-up above 200 will require a scope with at least 90 minutes of total elevation adjustment- IF you don't use a down angle base.

That's why every rifle we equip is always done so with a 20 moa down angle base. Never a problem zeroing at 200 (or even 100) yards, and it extends the useable range of the scope dramatically. If you use a 20 minute base, you can get by with a scope with "only" 50-60 minutes of adjustment. I would always play it safe, here.

I bought a Weaver Nitrex TR-1 for one of our rifles, only to find out that is has a lousy adjustment range (like 30 moa), and even with a 20 minute base will not get our .308 out to 1000 yards.

There are some 1" scopes that will have enough adjustment- but you're probably best served with the 30mm tubes for this. Many scope manufacturers do not advertise their range of adjustment so be sure to check- don't assume that even a 30mm tube will have enough.
 
I need to make this quick, it is very late tonight. I will post again tomorrow or monday with more details

I'm setting this 06 up so I can take a long range unit with me when I go up north after these wild hogs.

I will bring with me side arms 44mag, 10mm, a 12ga, a AR15, M1A and this 06. I will have all covered from 10ft to 1000yds. I do not know what I will need up there.

I will post more details soon

Thanks guys for the great info.
Good night
 
I'm setting this 06 up so I can take a long range unit with me when I go up north after these wild hogs.

I will bring with me side arms 44mag, 10mm, a 12ga, a AR15, M1A and this 06. I will have all covered from 10ft to 1000yds
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^^^^ :D

Myself, I take at least 19 sidearms, 11 tactical knives, 3 long range units, and a crossbow with exploding tips when hogs are the name of the game.

Sent from HenseMod6.
 
Hi, Kragwy,

The Model 1903 (Model 1905 sight) has a built-in adjustment for drift, but the Model 1917 does not.

Jim
 
The Model 1903 (Model 1905 sight) has a built-in adjustment for drift, but the Model 1917 does not.
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I believe your right, they rushed the M1917 to war because Remington, Eddystone and Winchester is the only ones to had the capability to rush guns to war and didn't have time to add that ability to the sights.

We only had 600K Springfields & 160K Krags to arm 2 Mil plus American Troops in France. Adding that to the sights wasn't a priority. Arming our troops who were using brooms in basic instead of rifles was.
 
There is no question that there is equipment up to the task, if the shooter has the experience and the common sense to know when the shot is "doable"...

Hell, I've seen "experienced" hunters shank a shot at 200 yards- so, is was the shot unethical because they missed?

Fact is, there a ballistic field computers that will factor in ALL environmental factors, including elevation, temp, and humidity in addition to the all important wind, as well as horizontal (shoot-to) distance- and provide a precise firing solution.

This is nothing but science, top notch equipment, and a good marksman. It's usually easy to tell if the wind is doing a different dance at varying ranges to the target. Can I dope it yet, Nope. But I've seen enough guys bang a 10" gong at 1000 yards without missing that I know it can be done- "ethically" when they decide the conditions are within the level of their experience and ability of their equipment to make it.

On a windless day, my fifteen year old could do it...

And yes, not every day has a full value wind gusting 10-20 mph. On a "good" day, these 1000 yard shots are not overly difficult.

Too much judging here...there are guys that can do it...and do it consistently, and "ethically".

Just because your equipment and/or ability is not up to the task is no reason to belittle those that can...
 
You know how I know you don't know what you are talking about? This right here:
It's usually easy to tell if the wind is doing a different dance at varying ranges to the target.
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That is why there are so many 100-10Xs at 1000 yard shoots. Oh, wait, there aren't. The X-10 ring of a 1000 yard target is ~20 inches across.

High master Long range shooters, who have been shooting for decades, get the wind wrong, regularly.

You know how else I know you don't know what you are talking about? This:
And yes, not every day has a full value wind gusting 10-20 mph. On a "good" day, these 1000 yard shots are not overly difficult.
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Sure, on a reasonably flat, surveyed range, with wind flags, a spotting scope to read the mirage and a couple of sighting shots. Next time you find a pig tied to the pole holding up the wind flag, at a surveyed 1K yards, knock yourself out (assuming you have a good zero at that range, with similar weather, at that elevation).

Even with a 338 Lapua (250 gr @ 3000 fps) if you take a poke at a pig you think is 1000 yards away and it is really 980 you will be off in elevation by over a foot. With a .30-06 it is over 2 feet.

If the 5 mile an hour quartering wind you estimated is really 7 mph from 55º, you windage at 1K yards goes up from 23 inches to 36in. (Again with 338 Lapua, .30-06 will be more)If you are lucky you miss, if not you end up with a gut-shot cripple that will starve to death, because you will have a hard time even finding the spot where the deer was standing after hiking the half mile from where you shot.

Please tell us again how "easy" it is to tell the difference in a 5 mph @ 45º from 7 MMPH @ 55º net wind across 1000 yards.

Oh, and guess what, Ballistic calculations are not always correct. They are usually good enough to get you on paper for elevation, but on paper at ~1000 is a long way from good enough for a game animal.

Shooting a game animal from that distance is unethical. You may try to justify it because some assclown did it and you saw the video on youtube, but that is meaningless, because it was unethical when he did it too.

Rationalize it all you want, it is still unethical.

You want to shoot an animal that far away, go hunt Prairie dogs. Pretty much any hit with a rifle capable of getting out that far will be dramatically fatal to a small rodent.

Just because your equipment and/or ability is not up to the task is no reason to belittle those that can...
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You shot my rilfes have you? Have I competed against you? My equipment is perfectly capable, as is my ability. My experience, basic ballistics knowledge and common sense is why I say it is stupid.

Read the other thread.
 
On a windless day, my fifteen year old could do it...
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There is no such thing as a NO WIND day, or period. Its there, you may not see it, but its there. The so called no wind day will get you quicker then a high steady wind.

Don't believe it go to a long range match on what you think is a "no wind" day. Fire up your spotting scope and focus it mid way to 2/3s way to the target and watch the mirage. Look at the spotting disk on the targets with the wind boils.

I've shot a heck of a lot of 1000 yard matches since I started shooting for the guard in 1977.

Considering what I learned during those 35 years, I consider 300 yards about my max for hunting.

Again, there is no such think as a "no wind" day.
 
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