3 Shot Dead at Calif. Sausage Site

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mrat:
I am saddend but not surprised by some of the responses posted here.

This guy is a murderer plain and simple, I do not feel sorry for him one bit. Who I do feel sorry for is the victims and their families. I cannot believe that our country has gotten to the point where some people defend this man's actions.

Since when did enforcing health standards become punishable by death? I for one have had food poisoning from sausage in the past and appreciate what the inspectors are doing. If this guy had a problem with the USDA there are other ways to handle it besides killing the inspectors.

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Well, for my part, I dont condone the actions of this man, but I also know that some government employees are very arrogant and can use the threat of police force to enforce that unbrideled arrogance.

Obviously, this could push some borderline cases to use deadly force, as my have occured here in this instance.

Having said that, I do very much wish that he did not shoot these people to death.

It only serves to make all gun owners look bad in the eyes of the public, and he clearly did not have a self-defence situtation, where a gun would be needed, to contend with.

A most unfortunate event.
 
mrat, technically, I agree with you. However, if things continue on their present path, some of this may become inevitable.

If you sincerely believe that there is always a nonviolent way to correct governmental excesses, then I respectfully suggest you take a little time to understand the legal system more clearly. Governments nearly always can out-spend and out-wait a citizen. And, thereby can grind a citizen's business into dust.

Notice that it is common now to hear that 'such and such' an industry is 'unregulated'!!!!! And, that revelation is delivered with a tone of panic in the voice. It is clear that our average citizen now seems to believe that we must have government regulation in every aspect of our lives, covering every product and every service we consume.

Remember 'power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'? That is the essence of government power now. More and more, it is becoming absolute.

So, no, I don't agree with this man's actions. However, I have no idea of his situation. If these inspectors were the arrogant a**holes that government sometimes employs, if they ignored logic (not much 'stretch' there, eh?), if their actions were destroying a family business, and if the owner had exhausted his legal remedies, then his actions become more understandable, if still not acceptable. [It will be interesting to see how much he had worked within the system before he settled on this action.]

I'm saying this. That the people who founded this country realized that governments can become terribly oppressive. And, oppression can take forms other than bullets and poison gas ... it can also take the form of death and impoverishment by regulation and taxation. There may come a time in this country that such a man's actions are seen as the final, desperate, tragic attempts to stop a runaway regulatory train.

One other point. I will wager that regulators throughout this country take careful notice of this crime. Sadly, but logically, it will have a certain 'hygenic' effect. Arrogant regulators may tend to temper their approach, if only for awhile. And, I suspect, more regulators will arm themselves - many, many government agencies can go armed already ... expect to see more.

And, when all of our 'regulators' are armed, and when they've succeeded in disarming all of us .... well, then I suppose we'll recognize our statism for the fascism it is sadly becoming.

Regards from AZ



[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited June 24, 2000).]
 
Jeff Thomas - "[It will be interesting to see how much he had worked within the system before he settled on this action.]"

Aye, there's the rub. The article stated, "''He did everything they asked of him,'' Galvan said." Maybe, maybe not. We need more details.

I don't know if it was JFPO who said it, but somewhere this rhetorical question was raised: "How successful would the Nazis have been if every time an SS goon kicked in someone's door, they were met with gunshots"?

Yeah, the guns were gone by then, but that was another time and place, and this is Amerika 2000 where ALL citizens are suspect, but "unfortunately", still armed.

I think it WAS a "last straw" reaction -- but maybe, just maybe, that rhetorical question is being answered in the "Don't tread on me!" American tradition.

Yeah, it's one Helluva jump from USDA inspectors to SS JBTs, but it's only a difference in degree - the concept is the same, "You Vill Obey".

I have yet to see ANY government agent, or agency, express regret over causing the death of a citizen. So, based on current information, I do not grieve for these guys. If they had the chance, they would have relied on the local LEOS to risk their lives and take this man out, and they wouldn't have lost a bit of sleep over it.

After all, according to the State, Alexander was the criminal.



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I have no problem with this action if he indeed exhausted all other peacful recourses within his ability and still retain his means of supporting his family.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.[/quote]

Isn't that why we have the Second Amendment?

We cry about unconstitutional regulations and how our cries of outrage fall upon deaf ears. Yet we sit on our collective a$$es and wait for the "balloon" to go up, as if that's going to happen. :rolleyes:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms; our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. [/quote]

The war is already waged, and I have absolutely NO sympathy for the enemy.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oatka:
Jeff Thomas - "[It will be interesting to see how much he had worked within the system before he settled on this action.]"

Aye, there's the rub. The article stated, "''He did everything they asked of him,'' Galvan said." Maybe, maybe not. We need more details.

I don't know if it was JFPO who said it, but somewhere this rhetorical question was raised: "How successful would the Nazis have been if every time an SS goon kicked in someone's door, they were met with gunshots"?

Yeah, the guns were gone by then, but that was another time and place, and this is Amerika 2000 where ALL citizens are suspect, but "unfortunately", still armed.

I think it WAS a "last straw" reaction -- but maybe, just maybe, that rhetorical question is being answered in the "Don't tread on me!" American tradition.

Yeah, it's one Helluva jump from USDA inspectors to SS JBTs, but it's only a difference in degree - the concept is the same, "You Vill Obey".

I have yet to see ANY government agent, or agency, express regret over causing the death of a citizen. So, based on current information, I do not grieve for these guys. If they had the chance, they would have relied on the local LEOS to risk their lives and take this man out, and they wouldn't have lost a bit of sleep over it.

After all, according to the State, Alexander was the criminal.

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Unfortunately, when all is said and done, I believe the outcome will be thus:

1. Armed Meat Inspectors (dont laugh just yet) or,

2. Armed Police escort for same (more then likely).

3. One more "good" reason to "crack down" on gun-violence for the gun-grabbers. Not that any excuse to ban guns isn't a good one for those Fascist creeps.


Isn't it just dandy, living in a so-called free country, where today we have to ask permission,and sometimes even pay, the government to let us engage in our God-given Second Amendment rights, bought and paid for in the blood of hundreds of thousands of American people ?
 
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