3.67", Five-Shot Group @ 100 yds. with G21

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DAMN!

Theres no way you could shoot that group with a Glock Walter, dont you think we all know that!

I know for a fact I can shoot a 1.5" group at 125 yards with my 1911 but I cant seem to get a single round to cycle,looks like I have to go back to the ol tuning bench. :) :) :) It only cost me $2000, what can you expect?

All in good fun guys,
~Jason
 
Bobo: The recoil, with the compensator attached, is minimal...less than a standard velocity .45 ACP.

Friend of mine has the same setup in his G21, but in .45 ACP. We shot some .45 Supers through it to day. We're having trouble to get my Golden Saber reloads to feed properly, but have some XTP's on order. The recoil for the Super, reloaded at 1200 fps+, was also minimal. (230gr.)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WalterGAII:
My secret is that I always focus deeply, imagining that the tennis ball is a Democrat's brain.[/quote]

Quit telling fairy tales (pun intended with an emphasis on fairy). We know such a thing has never existed.
 
WalterGAII:

How dare you insult the strapping tennis ball!

You seriously overstate the size of a Dumbocrat's brain...at least the actively-used neurons. Let's see, so much for autonomic functions, so much for reflexes, so much for memory, leaves maybe a marble-size for critical thinking. ;-)
 
So, leedesert, since you are the resident expert on the topic, just how many times do I have to shoot 1 inch at 25 yards in order to be able to say that my gun can do it?
How many times does Walter have to shoot sub 4" groups at 100 yards to be able to say that his gun can do it?

Seems to me that if the gun does it on a semi-regular basis, then the gun is able to do it. On the occasions that groups do not come out quite as tight, then it is likely shooter error and not the gun.


So, since you have determined that you are the judge of this, and you say that a gun shooting 1 inch at 25 yards one time is not enough, then how many times is enough to be able to say the gun can do it? I don't want to be a firearms novice and get excited about it happening once, or even twice, so how many times is enough?



I guess you need to get to work, Walter, 3.67" groups at 100 yards with open sights gets little more than a yawn out of these people. You better go shoot some more. Maybe you (and your gun) can do even better! :)



Ps- It seems to me that no matter how much money and how much customization people put into a 1911 platform, they still call it a 1911. Why is a Glock with no more than a (drop in fit?) aftermarket barrel no longer a Glock, according to some here?





[This message has been edited by Red Bull (edited September 28, 2000).]
 
What I do is just shoot one good one and then miss the target entirely and claim that the remaining rounds must have all gone through the same hole.

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Walter, I am not familiar with this 'combat bench' method. Do you ask the threats to stand real still, in good light, while you determine the distance with a range finder, and then laser sight thru the bore after bolting the Glock into the machine rest that fires with a windows 98 programmed transducer?
What can this SuperGlock do from concealment out of the holster at 15 yards on a mover in low light after running up to the starting position???
 
9X45,

It seems to me Walter is focusing on his groupings at the range you know,,,,target work. Not his sef defense shooting methods.

You bet your ass, if he is getting those groupings at 100 yds I am willing to bet he sure as hell could hit a threat at 15 yds, wouldnt you think?

None the less, thats one hell of an accomplishment, people are even talking about Walter over at the Sigforum :) :) :)

Happy shooting,
~Jason
 
I've never felt compelled to engage in any of the pseudo-combat games. Shooting is just a fun hobby for me. I've known a few people who've take the lives of others, but I've never known anybody who's had to make speed reloads; shoot with one hand broken; clear jams and cycle a pistol with their belt; fire upside down at night; etc., etc., ad infinitum.

One of the things that I agree with Col. Cooper on is that mindset is probably the most important ingredient in a gunfight. I have no doubts about my mindset.

The most likely scenario for my having to use my handgun in a case of self-defense would involve a carjacking or my being accosted in a parking lot. I feel pretty confident of my ability to defend myself in such a situation.

I have no practical use for being able to hit a target with a pistol at 100 yds. It's just another fun part of my hobby. On the occasion about which this thread started, I just decided, on the spur of the moment, to see what the .40 Super would do at 100 yds. I fired three shots, just to see if I could hit the target, and if so, where. After returning to the bench from viewing the target, I shot five shots from rest on a Midway rifle rest, not from a pistol rest of vise. I was pleasantly surprised that the five shots went into a group under four inches. I was equally surprised that three of the shots measured 1.748".

Now that I've found that the .40 Super, shot out of my G21 platform, is capable of pretty decent long-range accuracy, I'll probably be doing some more 100-yd shooting. My ultimate goal is to be able to make headshots on crows at 150 yds, so I have a lot of loading and practicing ahead of me. :)

I'm accustomed to one-hole groups with my rifles at 100 yds. I'm equally pleased with the accuracy of my pistols. (I include my Accu-Match-equipped Gold Cup in that group)

Hope everybody has as much fun this weekend as I plan to.

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WalterGAII; Oh yeah, I'm going to have a ball. My youngest is having a sleep over birthday party (boohiss). Does hitting a propane cannister at 90 yards with a snubnose magnum count for anything? It took me four tries! Best Regards, J. Parker
 
Walter, I just knew you would throw up that 150 yard mark. Now I will have to dig out the Ransom, make up pads to hold a G21, and see how it works like a rifle. I was much happier with 25 yard head shots out of the holster! Now I will have to go out and buy a G31, so I can hold on the target, instead of 10 feet above..
 
Let's not stop here; It's time to go huntin' with that G-21! What's impact energy at 150 yards? I don't think you want to know. Let's cut the crap. A G-21 is no different than any other .45 ACP. It's used for up close and personal, just like any self defense pistol. I was a Glock person till' I saw the light. Sig's are fine, fine pistols, Glock's aren't. Just my thoughts, J. Parker
 
I shot a mule deer at 600 yards with my .44 magnum revolver...no wait...that was Elmer Keith. He aimed 23 feet high and 6 feet to the left, I guess...and hit him right through his heart and both lungs. The bullet performed perfectly and the deer dropped in it's tracks.

Seriously though, I have perfect vision and with open sights I find it impossible to intentionally line them up *on a rifle* at the same spot within 6 inches at 100 yards. Same rifle(s) will shoot >1" groups with a scope. One is a .308 and one is a .22

What am I doing wrong?

BTW my 10 year-old Glock 19 can shoot 4-6 inch groups offhand, standing at 25 yards all day long. Keep watchin' TV, bad guys. We'll take yer' head off when you grab that hostage and stand behind her.
 
Doubting Thomases:

At first I was going to call "foul ball" on Walter and ask him who he thought he was kidding with his BS. However, I once put four rounds out of six from a .44 Special 6" Power Custom Revolver into a Zerox copy of a $100.00 bill standing without support, double action, iron sights (Bomar) from 100 yards. Those four rounds were under 2.5 inches. I was fortunate enough to do that during a National Shooter's League qualifying run in Laramie, Wyoming almost 25 years ago. Sure, I have never repeated the "stunt" but strange things do happen.

I am learning to remain skeptical but not so pig headed as to discount every remarkable feat I hear about. Heck, just six months ago I posted about how the major shooting schools are full of crap when they claim their students can draw from concealment and fire two rounds in 2 seconds. Here I am 10,000 rounds later doing it myself in less time.
 
J Parker: Either you didn't read the whole thread, or you did read the thread and just have an incredibly short memory. Nowhere in the thread did I mention that I was shooting a .45 ACP. I think that I did mention that the .40 Super has more energy at 100 yds than does a .45 ACP at the muzzle.

Anybody who's naive enough to think that I'll really be trying to take headshots on crows at 150 yds is either a Democrat, or some other kind of low-intellect type.

For the record, I don't hunt any game for which my G21, whether outfitted in .40 Super or .400 Cor-Bon would be appropriate. I was just (as previously posted) fooling around at the range and happened to shoot a decent group. If anybody has any interest in seeing a pic of the group, I can get my son to post it on his website and give you a link to it; however, pics don't prove very much. Either you believe me, or you don't.

I'm glad that somebody has a Mini that'll outshoot my G21; the Mini that I gave away sure as hell wouldn't.

I tried to install an Aimtech mount on my G21 today, so that I could experiment with red dots and optical scopes. The mount wouldn't clear my Meprolight adjustables, so I'm sending it back to Brownell's.

I'll just stick with the old iron sights for the time being.
 
Walter; Well, I'm not a Democrat so I guess I'm just naive and of low-intellect. Actually, I think my memory is still intact ( my problem is I speed read). Best Regards, J. Parker
 
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