2nd Circuit upholds illegal stop

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Mark Hamblett
New York Law Journal
05-17-2005


Despite believing police officers abused their authority in ordering a man to stop without reasonable suspicion, a federal appeals court said U.S. Supreme Court case law requires it to uphold the man's conviction.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reluctantly ruled defendant Swazine Swindle's drug conviction must stand because the Fourth Amendment does not require the exclusion of evidence obtained as a result of police unreasonably initiating a stop.

"Although we are precluded from holding that the officers' unreasonable order violated the Fourth Amendment, we believe that it was an abuse of authority for which Swindle and others like him might seek redress under a source of authority such as the Fourteenth Amendment or some provision of state law," Judge Wilfred Feinberg wrote in United States v. Swindle, 03-1773.

In June 2002, a team of Buffalo, N.Y., police officers working as part of an FBI task force was patrolling the city, looking for a 5-foot 8-inch, 145-pound black man named Kenneth Foster-Brown, when they saw Swindle, who stands 6 feet 1 inch tall and weighs 215 pounds. Swindle was pulling up to a known drug house in a black Pontiac Bonneville. Foster-Brown had reportedly been seen "near" a car of the same description.

Swindle entered the house, came out a short time later, got into the car and drove away. The police activated their strobe light and ordered Swindle to pull over.

But he disobeyed the order and kept driving, violating two traffic laws during a chase in which police saw him reach into the visor above the driver's seat, grab a plastic bag and throw it out the window.

Swindle eventually pulled over and tried to flee on foot. He was captured and the bag he had thrown from the car was recovered. Inside were 33 small bags of crack cocaine.

Western District Court Judge William Skretny adopted the report of a magistrate judge and refused to suppress the evidence. Swindle ultimately pleaded guilty to possessing a controlled substance.

At the circuit, Judges Feinberg, Richard Cardamone and Barrington D. Parker Jr. said that "the order to pull over was indeed unreasonable."

"It appears that the only obvious physical characteristic the men shared was the color of their skin," the panel said.

The behavior of the police was analyzed under case law stemming from the seminal case of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), in which the U.S. Supreme Court said police officers may "seize" a person and conduct a limited search for weapons if they "reasonably" believe the person is involved in criminal activity.

But Feinberg said the circuit has never "squarely decided whether reasonable suspicion may be premised upon events occurring after a person is ordered to stop but before he or she is physically apprehended."

Feinberg said some courts that have confronted the question, such as the 3rd and D.C. circuits, "have held or suggested that events occurring between the initiation and completion of a Terry stop may contribute to a finding of reasonable suspicion for the stop."

Others have stressed that the police, from the beginning of the encounter, must have a good reason to stop a person, Feinberg said, a view that is shared by the 2nd Circuit.

"Upon consideration of the issue, we believe that a police officer should not be empowered to order someone to stop unless the officer reasonably suspects the person of being engaged in illegal activity," he said. "We find this position most faithful to Terry's own proscription that, when stopping a suspect, a police 'officer's action [be] justified at its inception.'"

Feinberg then explained the problem facing the panel in light of the "clear" rule that police cannot turn an illegal stop into a legal stop by pointing to incriminating behavior that occurs after the stop.

"And if subsequent incriminating events cannot justify an unreasonable stop, then it logically follows that subsequent incriminating events should not be able to justify an unreasonable order to stop," he said. "Unreasonable stops and unreasonable orders to stop are both abuses of police power, and we see no principled basis for prohibiting the former and not the latter.

"It appears, however, that current Fourth Amendment jurisprudence draws just that distinction."

'HODARI' RULING

Feinberg said that the Supreme Court's ruling in California v. Hodari D., 499 U.S. 621 (1991), "strongly implies -- without explicitly holding -- that an unreasonable order to stop does not violate the Fourth Amendment and that the grounds for a stop may thus be based on events that occur after the order to stop is given.

In that case, the suspect Hodari was standing with a group of young men in a high-crime neighborhood. Once he saw officers approaching, he fled, and during the pursuit, before an officer tackled him, Hodari discarded cocaine.

Feinberg made two points: first, that the Hodari Court "accepted as true" that the police pursuit "qualified as a show of authority calling upon Hodari to halt" and second that the Supreme Court relied "entirely upon the state's concession" that the police, at the moment they gave chase, "did not have the reasonable suspicion required to justify stopping Hodari."

"Taken together, these two observations show that the Court reached its holding even while assuming for the sake of argument that the police had issued an unreasonable order to stop," Feinberg said.

"Hodari D. thus implicitly authorized a defendant's seizure based on events occurring after issuance of an unreasonable order to stop."

Therefore, Feinberg said, the 2nd Circuit was "compelled to conclude" that the magistrate judge and Skretny did not err in considering Swindle's actions while being chased.

The court could not say that the Fourth Amendment requires a police officer to have reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot before ordering a person to stop, Feinberg said, but the order to Swindle was "a clear abuse of police authority."

"Requiring a police officer to have reasonable suspicion to order a stop would be truer to Fourth Amendment values than the current rule," he said.

The circuit went on to conclude that, under Fourth Amendment case law, Swindle "was not seized until the police physically apprehended him, and therefore that the drugs did not have to be suppressed as the fruit of the poisonous tree."

Feinberg said that "a substantial argument could be made that a broader definition of 'seizure' -- or some other remedy -- is required to adequately protect Fourth Amendment values from the harms flowing from police initiation of Terry stops without reasonable suspicion."

And "even if the kind of order given in Swindle's case is rare -- and we do not suggest that it is -- we see no persuasive reason for the law to tolerate it."

But Supreme Court precedents controlled the court, he said, and "a remedy for Swindle's Fourth Amendment complaint can come only from a higher authority."

John Humann and Marybeth Covert of the Federal Public Defender's Office represented Swindle.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael DiGiacomo and U.S. Attorney Michael Battle represented the government.
 
The dude entered a known drug house. Why does that not count as "reasonable suspicion"?
Because, to make that a crime, anyone can be detained under "reasonable suspicion" for entering any structure that any cop has "reason to believe" is involved in illegal activity. IOW, there is no difference between Swindle's actions under today's "interpretation" and your actions under tomorrow's. VERY slippery slope.

When reading these rulings, always remember this:
The Bill of Rights is not in place to "balance" freedom and Police Authority. It exists to LIMIT that authority, always erring on the side of freedom. This particular Court is to be commended for recognizing that. What they clearly articulate is a disagreement with their higher court.....thus, grounds for Appeal is encouraged and, hopefully, SCOTUS will revisit.
 
I think it's a great ruling. Why should criminals go free because evidence was illegally obtained? I think there should be other sanctions for 4th amendment violations other than letting the criminal go free. Suspend the cop for a week or something. That will have a better effect anyway.
 
Rich===> very wise man. They were compelled (unfortunately) by the Hodari case to reach the conclusion they did, given the fact that during the chase he threw stuff out the window. But they noted correctly that Hodari makes no sense, and that they disagree with it. The were NOT throwing out any portion of the "exclusionary rule" as implied by the summary in the first post. They essentially stated that THEY (that court) deemed it an unreasonable seizure (of person), but they recognized that the SCOTUS would not deem it unreasonable, under Hodari, and what the SCOTUS says, goes.
 
Why should criminals go free because evidence was illegally obtained?
Because that attitude essentially legitimizes the abuse of power by the police?

Arrests and convictions are the fruits of the police's labor. The only penalty that will prevent abuse of the system is one that denies the ultimate goal of law enforcement.

Any other system is ripe for abuse. I'm sure a system of "penalizing suspensions" would quickly become a joke if a police chief had the option of ordering the occasional illegal search to up his arrest record. The suspensions would just become a paying of dues on the way up the ladder.

There would be no justice, and no one would be safe from police interference.
 
Arrests and convictions are the fruits of the police's labor. The only penalty that will prevent abuse of the system is one that denies the ultimate goal of law enforcement.

The only fruit of my labor that I care about is the type that goes into my bank account. The exclusionary rule does not prevent unconstitutional searches. It's not even a "right", but an administrative sanction. I believe there must be some other sanction that considers both the accused's right to a fair trial and also society's interests to be free from criminals. You don't let a guy arrested on a warrant go free just because the entry at the time of arrest was unlawful.
 
I believe there must be some other sanction that considers both the accused's right to a fair trial and also society's interests to be free from criminals.
This seems to be the nub of the frequency misalignment between Good Cops and Good Citizens.

As a Good Citizen, I don't want you to keep me "free from criminals"; only to provide a deterrent in the form of jail time for those properly caught and convicted. Those who expect you to keep them "free from criminals" unwittingly demand a Police State...and history proves that, even then, crime continues.

I couldn't care less about some crack dealer or other criminal who gets off if Terry is (properly) rescinded. I'm far more concerned about MY freedoms in this growing atmosphere where the End is always considered to justify the Means.
Rich
 
"...Those who expect you to keep them "free from criminals" unwittingly demand a Police State...and history proves that, even then, crime continues."

Very good point!

My addition to this is that we need to keep in mind that our forefathers fought and died to keep us from living in a Police State. Aren't we, by advocating a slippery slope leading to a Police State, trying to undo the heroic things they did?
 
I think it's a great ruling. Why should criminals go free because evidence was illegally obtained? I think there should be other sanctions for 4th amendment violations other than letting the criminal go free. Suspend the cop for a week or something. That will have a better effect anyway.

So in your mind the proper penalty for the abrogation of your Constitutional rights would be to penalize the officer with a slap on the wrist?

Thats great Frank.

Now what happens when an agent of the government comes and rummages through YOUR house on a fishing expedition only to find nothing? Will you be satisfied that officer will only lose a day's pay? Hell, you sold out your Constitutional rights for a day's pay. Need I quote Benjamin Franklin?

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.​



(edited to add...)


Frank, we all want to see the bad guys locked up, but thats not the point here. The point is when you give up those rights, you don't get to pick and choose to whom it will apply. It applies to everyone, both innocent and guilty. The police can't read a crystal ball to figure out who is innocent and who is guilty, nor is it their job to determine. That is the province of the courts.
 
Reasonable suspicion is the key to the stop here based upon the totality of the following circumstances:
1) physical characteristics of Swindle(granted the final ht/wt was different, but at the time, the officers believed he closely matched the description of Brown)
2) Entered a KNOWN drug house, not a suspected one. That is important
3) Swindle was driving the same make/color car as Brown was seen "near"
Each one of these on their own merit, would not stand up to reasonable suspicion. However, when viewed as the totality of the circumstances, they do stand up to reasonable suspicion, IMO.

A police officers' training, experience and reasonable suspicion based on the totality ot the circumstance is the crux of the issue. This stop is well in line with Terry, and thus reasonable.

Based upon the initial observations and the grounds for reasonable suspicion that Swindle was Brown, I believe that the order to stop Swindle was justified.
 
Breacher Up-
We'll agree to disagree.

- Actual suspect was seen "near" a car that description.
As were every one of the people on the same street that night.

- Subject was pulling up to a "Known" drug house.
If it was "known" why was it still in business? Waiting to take down the local street dealer?

- "the officers believed he closely matched the description of Brown".
Police work may be the only line I can get into where my judgement cannot be questioned....only what I "believe". 5'8", 145 lbs is a world of difference from 6'1", 215 lbs in mid June in New York. Had the cops been rated on their "judgement", the case would have been thrown out. Instead, thanks to Terry, they were rated on their "beliefs".

And THAT is precisely why Terry is an abomination. Here's the way the courts have set the Rules:
While citizens are expected to act "reasonably", Law Enforcement needs only have a "belief". Even if their initial belief is discarded as unreasonable, they get a second chance to believe something else based on my actions after a bad stop!

That's Police State Tactics no matter what country it's practiced in. It's Bad JuJu. This very Circuit recognizes these inconsistencies and clearly states that Terry has bound their hands in throwing out a case that they feel constitutes a clear infringement of the BoR.

YMMV.
Rich
 
Ugh. This one's messy. I just looked it up on LexisNexis(TM), and the facts say that the original district court judge, at the time of the suppression hearing, was using California v. Hodari D (1991), where the Court ruled that a seizure requires "either physical force...or, where that is absent, submission to the assertion of authority." The magistrate also recalled Brower v. County of Inyo (1989), where a 20-mile police chase after the defendant wasn't presumed to be a seizure, and finally referenced County of Sacramento v. Lewis (1998), which said that "a police pursuit in attempting to seize a person does not amount to a 'seizure' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment." Given this stare decicis, the magistrate concluded that because "the defendant was being pursued by the police, he had not been seized when he was observed discarding...[a] sandwich bag containing crack cocaine."

How's THAT for splitting some hairs?!?
 
Matt-
I also noticed the comments on nuance of point of siezure. OTOH, we know that you can be charged with Resisting and Evading & Eluding if you run from the strobes in a good bust. How can you "resist" an arrest if you haven't yet been seized?

That's why Hodari is so bogus in the context of "Good Law". It's contrary to all tradition and to common sense.

How would this be for a alternate standard:
- "Suspects" have no obligation to speak to Police, before, during or after an arrest.
- Unless the stop is for Cause which can "reasonably" be articulated by the Officer and clearly agreed to by a Judge, the stop is illegal and the fruits are discarded.
- Seizures which clearly fail the test of "Reasonable Suspicion" are deemed "False Arrest" or "Harassment".


Oops....looks like I just described the interpretation of the BoR for it's first Two Centuries! Clearly that wasn't working at all because the country was far too dangerous a place. What the hell.....I feel so much "safer" now than I did in the 1960's.....not. ;)
Rich
 
As a Good Citizen, I don't want you to keep me "free from criminals"; only to provide a deterrent in the form of jail time for those properly caught and convicted.

I never said anything about the police keeping you free from criminals. I said society had an interest in being free from criminals. I have a right to be free from criminals because they impede my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I think that right supercedes the criminals ability to have unlawfully seized evidence excluded from trial because it was seized unlawfully. The only one who wins when unlawfully seized evidence is excluded is the criminal. As a police officer, if I've done my job to the best of my ability, I couldn't care less if evidence is excluded.

So in your mind the proper penalty for the abrogation of your Constitutional rights would be to penalize the officer with a slap on the wrist?

Depends on the extent of "unlawfullness" in the seizure. If it's a case of a cop maliciously obtaining a search warrant, he should be prosecuted and also suffer on the job sanctions. In other cases, a suspension might be warranted, in other cases some other less severe discipline.

Thats great Frank.

I'm glad you agree.

Now what happens when an agent of the government comes and rummages through YOUR house on a fishing expedition only to find nothing?

Then they'd leave and I'd sue them.

The point is when you give up those rights, you don't get to pick and choose to whom it will apply

You have a right to be free from unreasonable searches. You don't have a right to have unlawfully seized evidence excluded. The Exclusionary Rule is no more a right than the Miranda WARNING. Just as you don't have a right to be excused from the jurisdiction of the court if you are arrested unlawfully.
 
The only one who wins when unlawfully seized evidence is excluded is the criminal.
That's where we disagree, Frank. For two centuries, these traditions served American Freedoms pretty well.

I agree with your statement, "I have a right to be free from criminals because they impede my right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Unfortunately, you're willing to disregard my rights in order to grant the government leeway to make me safe.

I'm willing to do my part toward keeping myself safe and I've no desire to consign my responsibilities, or my rights, to a government agent. Life is already dangerous enough, thanks.

Rich
 
"You have a right to be free from unreasonable searches. You don't have a right to have unlawfully seized evidence excluded."

So, what you are getting at is that the ends (admissable evidence) justify the means (unconstitutional search/seizure)?

Nope. It ain't right.
 
So, what you are getting at is that the ends (admissable evidence) justify the means (unconstitutional search/seizure)?

No, you inferred incorrectly. If I were saying the ends justified the means, I would say that whatever means police used to obtain evidence was OK, and that there should be no sanctions for the police when they seize evidence unconstitutionally. Excluding evidence from trial is pretty basic thing, and I would think that you who say that the constitution should be interpreted conservatively would have given the founding fathers the credit to have anticipated unlawfully seized evidence being admitted to trial, and coming up with an exclusionary rule in the constitution or bill of rights if their intent was to exclude unlawfully seized evidence from trial.
 
That's where we disagree, Frank. For two centuries, these traditions served American Freedoms pretty well.

Actually Rich, this particular tradition has only been serving American Freedoms for less than a century. And that was only Federally. After Weeks V. US the Feds would merely call in state or local officers to make the seizure. The exclusionary rule wasn't extended to the states until 1961 in Mapp V. Ohio. And even still there are states that prohibit the exclusion of unlawfully seized evidence if the evidence is narcotics, firearms or explosives. And yet even federally, there are exceptions to the exclusionary rule, such as the exception of inevitable discovery which allows unlawfully seized evidence to be admitted.

Unfortunately, you're willing to disregard my rights in order to grant the government leeway to make me safe.

You don't have a right to have unlawfully seized evidence excluded at trial. In addition, unlawfully seized evidence is fully admissible in grand jury procedings, civil trials, deportation hearings and for impeachment in criminal trials. So to imply that you have a right to have the ulawfully seized evidence excluded because you have a right to be free from unconstitutional searches, and the stuff was seized during an unconstitutional search doesn't fly, in my opinion. Unlawfully seized evidence is admissible in plenty of cases, that doesn't mean you didn't have a right to be free from the unlawful search in the first place.

To paraphrase Judge Cardozo in "Defore": The criminal should not go free only because the constable blundered.
 
"Excluding evidence from trial is pretty basic thing, and I would think that you who say that the constitution should be interpreted conservatively would have given the founding fathers the credit to have anticipated unlawfully seized evidence being admitted to trial, and coming up with an exclusionary rule in the constitution or bill of rights if their intent was to exclude unlawfully seized evidence from trial."

No. There was no need for such explicit rule disallowing illegally seized evidence, that was a necessary implication of the illegal search/seizure clause. If it is illegal to do the search, and/or the seizure was illegal, then the evidence was obtained illegally. If you allow illegal evidence in any case, you have to allow illegal evidence in every case, or that is the slippery slope you are sliding down, anyway. If we were to allow illegally seized evidence, what is to prevent illegally planted evidence? What is to prevent fabricated evidence? What is to prevent the presupposition of innocence from being trampled on? This slope leads to fabricated evidence and fabricated convictions.

What purpose is there in obtaining a search warrant? Why bother? Why not just barge on in there, conduct your illegal search, and seize that illegal evidence? It'll be admissable anyway? Right? Right?

NO. NO. NO. The police can NOT bend the rules to obtain evidence. How can those who are pledged to support and enforce the law be excused for operations outside of the law? It flies in the face of justice.

Illegal search and seizure is illegal. Evidence so gained is gained outside of the law. Evidence so gained MUST be discarded.

The ends do NOT justify the means. Added: Even if done in good faith.
 
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