.270 or 30-06?

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No I haven't been elk hunting but I read a lot & just the ballistic superior of the 06 with heavier bullets.
I remember reading an article Elmer Kieth wrote,it basically said he wouldn't use any thing less then a 375h&h to hunt elk. Now granted that was a long time ago & technology in bullets & powder has changed.
And yes the 06 is more abusive on ones shoulder but not enough to matter just sighting I your gun & hopefully just taking one shot to bag an elk.
And yes the 06 does have a better selection of bullets weights.
Like I said the 270 has taken many of elk but I'm gonna stand behind saying its a poor cal. for elk. Personally I'd recomend a 338win.
 
338 for elk

i would have to agree with you on that i would take my 338win for elk if the conditions were right . but if we want to talk recoil you have just uped it by 1/3 and to me for your average shooter its not a good thing . i tell all the hunters i am going to guide shoot alot shoot what you are comfy with abd can hit with ALL the time . I hate seeing a hunter undo his hard case and pull out the very laitest wiz bang stick out there.the best advice anyone can give is that you should know your rifle like you know your wife. Shoot it lots,shoot frome all positions,by snap caps and practice lots my new 2 week ould Model 70 Super Grade 30-06 has over 200 rounds down range allready . It comes to sholder smooth and fast now and that is what makes the elk fall if i had to pick beer or bullets it would be bullets every time you owe it to the game you hunt so if you can shoot the 338 great.I let ppl come to the farm and try diff cals all the time that way they dont by something they cant shoot. When im at the range and someone comes up and wants to see my rifle and if they are thinking of bying one of whatever I am shooting at the time i ofer to let them shoot some rounds so they can see if this is truely what they want just wish more guys would do it to that way we have more ppl shooting what they should love the 338
 
Quote: The 30-06 has a better bullet selection, especially weight wise.
Quote: Like What?.... 870, you never said what the better selection is. I know you can find heavier bullets for the .308 caliber bullet... but I ant to know exactly What you know about the 30-06 having a better bullet selection than the .270....... ;)
In otherwords there isn't an especially better bullet selection only a wider range of weights. I know I can get the same quality bullet from almost every bullet maker across the nation for my .270 as I can for my 30-06....;)
Accubond bullets from Nosler features a new Long Range series and they have a 150 grain .277 caliber bullet that is a dandy elk, sheep, goat, deer bullet. And of course they have the very same bullet for the 30-06.;)
 
Any 165gr, 180gr, 200gr, 220gr that s what!!!
A 150gr is to light in my opinion, sure it'll work but not a good choice.
And I'll add that I bet most elk hunting guides would recomend a 30cal. Or bigger.
Elk aren't no Missouri whitetail.
 
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And one more thing people keep saying how a 270 has less recoil & it shoots flater.
If a 270,30-06, & 308 all shoot a 150gr. bullet at about the same velocity (which they do).
The felt recoil is almost identical & so is the trajectory give or take 5yds.
But then move up to a 165gr. & the 308 & 30-06 are pretty close and guess what theirs no 165gr for 270.
Then go up to 180gr & 30-06 is starting to pull away from 308 & still no 180gr. 270.
Lets go one more (could really go more) 200gr. 30-06 is really pulling away from the 308 now & the 270???
So yes if you want your bullet weight to max out at 150 it doesn't matter between the 3 calibers.
And like I've said a 270 has taken many elk but in "my opinion" I'd go bigger.
 
Yea but I have to say a guide who lets someone use a 243 to shoot an elk at that distance really has no business being a guide. And I never said a small caliber couldn't kill an elk I said that its a bad choice.
Sure a lot of people have kill a lot of deer with a 22 but is it a good choice?
 
I don't know what that's suppose to mean but anyway I noticed you can't rate or comment on that video. My guess is because they were tired of getting bad ratings & comments about how someone could let a hunter use a 243 to hunt elk & at that distance.
One in a thousand promotional video
 
But then move up to a 165gr. & the 308 & 30-06 are pretty close and guess what theirs no 165gr for 270.
Then go up to 180gr & 30-06 is starting to pull away from 308 & still no 180gr. 270.
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Not true actually. There are both 165gr and 180gr in .277, they are not factory loaded though. I believe Nosler also makes a 160gr.
 
From Hodgdon Reloading...

160 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H1000 .277" 3.340" 55.0 2614 44,200 CUP 59.0C 2765 50,900 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 7828 .277" 3.340" 50.5 2450 38,900 CUP 56.0 2758 50,300 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART Winchester Supreme 780 .277" 3.340" 54.5 2704 56,000 PSI 58.0 2833 62,000 PSI
160 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H4831 .277" 3.340" 50.0 2510 43,000 CUP 54.0 2673 50,500 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon Hybrid 100V .277" 3.340" 48.0 2578 49,900 PSI 53.0C 2796 63,300 PSI
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4831 .277" 3.340" 48.5 2481 41,800 CUP 52.9 2680 50,300 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART Hodgdon H4350 .277" 3.340" 46.0 2501 43,600 CUP 49.0 2646 51,100 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4350 .277" 3.340" 46.5 2483 42,100 CUP 51.0 2706 50,500 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4320 .277" 3.340" 40.0 2453 44,500 CUP 42.8 2584 51,000 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4064 .277" 3.340" 40.0 2401 42,200 CUP 43.3 2580 50,400 CUP
160 GR. NOS PART IMR IMR 4895 .277" 3.340" 40.0 2334 44,100 CUP 43.2 2573 50,100 CUP


180 GR. BAR JRN Hodgdon H1000 .277" 3.300" 50.0 2404 45,100 CUP 54.0 2540 50,600 CUP
180 GR. BAR JRN IMR IMR 7828 .277" 3.300" 48.0 2307 40,900 CUP 52.8 2529 50,400 CUP
180 GR. BAR JRN Hodgdon H4831 .277" 3.300" 47.0 2358 46,000 CUP 50.5 2501 51,100 CUP
 
what good is a 180gr .277 leaving the muzzel at 2350fps Remington used to make a 180gr Corelock but stoped i think everyone found you could use it out with a 180 you were in the 30-30 area that round is back when ppl thought heavy round nose were what was needed to make the 270 a brush rifle my 78 year old father has me load them for him then bitches about the range redution and they sit on my bench till next year and he will ask again for 180gr for his 270 i will give them to him and offer to site his rifle in and explain to him his drop and he will give them back and take the 150gr load and out he goes after elk . And the old boy will get it allways a neck shot and allways within 250yards he can still shoot dimes all day lol
 
if we want to post loading data i could post pages of diff loads for the 30-06 you make our point when you show reams of data all with 2 weights 160gr and 180gr the point is even with hand loades the 30-06 has a better spred of weights makeing it a better rifle for a man who wants to hunt all of north america and has to chose from 270 and 30-06 .
 
If a 270,30-06, & 308 all shoot a 150gr. bullet at about the same velocity (which they do).
The felt recoil is almost identical & so is the trajectory give or take 5yds.
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Horsefeathers.

Recoil, all else being equal, is similar, I'll grant you. The trajectories are not.

Aye, they leave at about the same velocity, but a 150 gr .308" bullet is not as efficient in form, whereas 150gr .277" bullets are nearing optimum efficiency for the diameter......

A 150gr SGK .277" bullet leaving at 2900 will allow one to "hold in the hair" to 1/4 mile. MPBR is 350 yards (max trajectory above and below LOS, 5")

A 150gr SGK .308" leaving at 2900 will not. MPBR is 300.

The .277 bullet will have 250ft/lbs more energy, be going near 200 f/sec faster, and will lose it's velocity (and energy) more slowly than the shorter bullet.

And before someone chimes in with " The average shooter does not need to shoot past 300 ...... well, why settle for average? It's better to have the ability and not need it than need it and not have it.
 
DarcyPotter1 are you looking to pick a fight or just that much of jerk? I posted that for JD0x0.

JD0x0 said:
"There are both 165gr and 180gr in .277, they are not factory loaded though. I believe Nosler also makes a 160gr."
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It was to show "him" that he was correct, there was indeed a Nosler 160 gr. bullet and I threw the loads for 180 in for ****s and giggles. I don't have a 270 and I HAD no dog in this fight, but if it's a fight your looking for you've jumped on the wrong guy because I sure as hell will give you one. :mad:
 
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I can see a definite advantage in shooting the same caliber that your wife does.

Good thinking, good choice. - And good luck in the field, sir!
 
just a jerk i guess cus i would not want to get into a battle of wits with you you are so much smarter than i am i would not last long.Im just a old guide and hunter handloader raised in Yukon who has shot a few elk,moose, sheep, bears and such with a few rifles im all ears tell me how to do it at 51 years yung i can still learn a lot heck im new to this internet stuff didnt mean to step on your toes so get your pantys out of a bunch and tell me how much better the 270 is and how it can kill game so far away after all im just a jerk
 
Aye, they leave at about the same velocity, but a 150 gr .308" bullet is not as efficient in form, whereas 150gr .277" bullets are nearing optimum efficiency for the diameter......

A 150gr SGK .277" bullet leaving at 2900 will allow one to "hold in the hair" to 1/4 mile. MPBR is 350 yards (max trajectory above and below LOS, 5")

A 150gr SGK .308" leaving at 2900 will not. MPBR is 300.

The .277 bullet will have 250ft/lbs more energy, be going near 200 f/sec faster, and will lose it's velocity (and energy) more slowly than the shorter bullet.

I have a 150gr 308 at 2900 sighted in at 200 hitting about 42.5" low at 500. Using 46.5grs of powder.
I have a 150gr 270 at 2900 sighted in at 200 hitting about 41." Low at 500. Using 55grs. Of powder.
I could all so load a 308 at almost 3000 using a different powder, but still only 46.5grs. & sighted in at 200 & hitting 39.5" low at 500.
So yes at the same velocity the 270 has a slight edge in bullet drop to the 308.
As far as felt recoil using the same weight bullet, the same felt recoil. All though I don't know how since you have to use all most 10grs. more powder in the 270 to get the same velocity as the 308.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

My point was not to put down the 270. I just don't think a 150gr bullet in 270, 308, or 30-06 is a good choice for elk or even a big moose. Sure it'll kill em, but theirs way better.
And yes nosler does have a couple 160's for the 270.
 
i agree in 30-06 if the range is going to be in the 3oo yard area i will be shooting the 165 branes triple shock if ranges are going to be closer i go for the 170 plus class if i am limited to the 30-06 when i know for sure that the area i am going to hunt is 300 yard max i pack my 375H&H if I know it will be long I opt for my 300win mag but the point of all this was 270 vs 30-06 i will take the 30-06 every time and i have the good luck to be allowed to not be stuck with one rifle due in the large part to hunters from the good old U.S.A comeing to Canada and being generous with tips and spending large amounts of cash to hunt this great lands . Wish we had the firearm laws you enjoy and hope that you will allways enjoy them just being a jerk lol lol thats how i am
 
Well alright Darcypotter, we all know where you stand.
Cheapo870, you still haven't taken the time to show me a BETTER bullet selection for the 30-06, then does the .270..... I will also add for the third time I know that .308 caliber bullets come in a wider range of weights..... But that's not what you said to begin with and I would like you to show the class, if you would be so inclined, what kind, make, variety, style, color etc....
of bullets that are manufactured for the 30-06 that are BETTER than the .270 winchester.
Please.:)
 
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