25 Auto capabilities

The problem is a really inexpensive, quality small gun.

Used revolvers like SW 65s, 66s, etc. can be had for $160 up in SGN but I don't see these at the gun shows. They are also kind of large.

Makarovs are a touch better but they come in at $150 - 160s at the shows.

However, you can get a Davis 25 ACP or derringer for $75.

I've worked with really poor folks in San Antonio and $80 bucks more is real money to them.

It's a shame someone can't make a quality little 25 for $80.
 
I've never owned a .25 and don't ever plan to. I have seen a few people who were shot with them (22 years of police work) and what I've noticed is that they seem to work pretty well on the GOOD guys and not worth a damn on the bad ones.

All that being said, I guess they're better than nothing (but not much) if only for the reason that MOST bad guys don't want to get shot with anything (although some don't seem to care). If you do need to shoot somebody with one, shoot for the face/throat area in a burst and then un-ass the area at high speed.

Wayne Dobbs
 
Alex Amigo!

The .25 is a really poor choice. I see a lot of folks have told you the news, but just so that you are not tempted to carry that cap gun I will tell you a story....

Seems round here in Tidewater a young messed up girl wanted to kill her mom. Taking the .25 she emptied a full mag into her mothers face while she was in her bed sleeping. The mother is/has sued her attacker- in concert with crriminal charges of course- for civil violations and the cost of her disfigurement!

A .32 is small enough for ultra-concealment, it has the minimum penetration neccesary to kill. I suggest you get a KILL tec p-32 with a chromed slide. Or one of those mini .22 Magnum revolvers- and don't use anything less than those CCI Maxi mag +V that will give you @ 1050 fps from a 1 1/8 barrel.

Peace
IZZY :cool:
 
Gee whiz, the .25 is not much better than a high violocity air rifle round.

I have done my own tests via newspaper/magazine and the .25 is dismal compared to say a 9mm or .38+P, However I do love my Beretta Jetfire in .25 deep concealment. Although the .25 Jetfire is an aneamic load, I sure the heck would not want to be hit by one.

Consider this however: the Kahr MK9 is .380 size and weight in a pocket pistol. I use to pocket a Jetfire, but for a bit more liability in weight, the MK9 is a distinct advantage.
 
I am not a big .25 fan at all,I may not trust it but still it can kill. A guy I used to know that went to school with my wife was killed by one with one shot in the chest a few years ago. I would say it is better than no gun at all but I would carry a .22 with more rounds first. Quicker and more controled fire with the .22 and more power than the 25 also in most cases. As for the killer it is assumed he went back to mexico and will never be caught.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by radom:
I am not a big .25 fan at all,I may not trust it but still it can kill. A guy I used to know that went to school with my wife was killed by one with one shot in the chest a few years ago. I would say it is better than no gun at all but I would carry a .22 with more rounds first. Quicker and more controled fire with the .22 and more power than the 25 also in most cases. As for the killer it is assumed he went back to mexico and will never be caught.[/quote]

However, killing is not the point. Stopping the attack is the role of a defensive pistol, and the .25 isn't up to the task nearly as well as larger calibers. If you can carry a .25, you can certainly carry a .380, or better yet a compact 9mm.
 
johnwill:

You made the statement that if one could carry a .25, one could carry a .380. With the larger, cast zinc .25's like the Raven & such, this is more or less true. The caliber is best used in true minis like the Jetfire of Browning Baby. These fall into the same niche as the NAA mini-revolvers. I could conceal that Jetfire in any attire short of a bikini. This is not true of, say, my Glock 33 or, sadly, my Tomcat.


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10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
I would recommend avoiding the MMC subcaliber copper round in 25acp. I tried some of this stuff in my 950BS and the base of the projectile shot out of the copper jacket leaving the jacket stuck in my chamber. It took me about 15 minutes to extract it with a screw. Now I only use FMJ factory. I dont include corbon as factory. Their quality control is lacking.
 
I know people who are underground in the grave yard because of a .25acp. One of the first homicides that I worked was where a policeman was shot by his wife, one time in the chest. When I arrived on the scene less than 5 minutes later he was grave yard dead. Don't underestimate the .25acp. As for the people who said that the Beretta .22 short was more effective I have this to say. From what experience do you base this statement. A hardball round in .25acp is a more reliable feeder than a lead .22 short. Also the .25acp is a centerfire cartridege and thus has a far more reliable ignition system than any rimfire. In a rimfire cartridge the priming compound is put into the cartridge case and then is spun to distribute the mixture around the perimiter of the rim. Sometimes this leaves voids and if the firing pin strikes one of these voids, instant missfire. No such problems with the centerfire .25acp.
The Kel-Tec P-32 has answered my career long quest for an easily carried/concealed light weight backup/off duty handgun.

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Any time you rely on a .25 auto you are skating on thin ice. Having said that I admit that I have a Beretta 950BS that I keep around and carry as need be.
The first rule of a .25(or any small caliber) is - It's better than nothing.
The Second rule is - A .25 is better used as a threat than employed in a gunfight.
The third rule is - If you are forced to fire a .25 in selfdefense, try for the eye sockets or the ear canal, preferably at skin contact range.
The fourth rule is - If rule three isn't possible you should consider retreating behind a hail of small caliber bullets.
The fifth rule is - Don't carry a .25 if you can carry anything larger.
Can anybody think of anything to add to this list?
My own .25 is mostly carried in my sweat pants pocket around the house and yard. The idea is to keep the BGs ducking while I head for the heavier weaponry. It's hard to carry a serious caliber gun while wearing a sweatsuit!
Mostly, when in street clothes I have a 1911A1 available, and sometimes the .25 too!
Don
 
My .22 short has never jammed, never misfired and always been in my pocket when my P13-45 was too large for the circumstances.

On a more ignoble note, the .22 short was the round used by Sirhan Sirhan to kill Bobby Kennedy. It does work. And as the old saw goes "the first rule of going to a gun fight is to bring a gun".
 
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