ARCH 308, as I tried to state but worded improperly apparently is my observations of decades of hunting. What I called uninterested hunters, was NOT a condemnation of hunters uninterested in terminal ballistic, it is difficult to discuss terminal ballistics with someone uninterested in these matters. I have spent years gutting and skinning big game animal, and even autopying long dead and abandoned stinking, bloated animals in an effort to find out how bullets performed. This has just be a thing of intrest for me. I am not condemming anyone who does not share this interest. A fellow guide I became friends with has FAR more experence and knowledge than I. yet he has zero interest in terminal ballistics and after a season of guiding, he has not a clue what bullet a client used, where the bullet impacted, what the penatration was, how much the bullet weighted after it was recovered or any other matter concerning terminal ballistics. When asked his opinion on bullets he just shruggs his shoulders and asks who cares. He personally shot a huge bull elk last year. When I asked what ammo he used, all he could remember was he thinks it came in a green box. And has no idea the bullet weight. When asked how it performed he siad he had a long trailing job. Not much useful imformation can be derived from such imformation, yet this man is a superb guide. As for what incadence means, my poor education is rearing its ugly head. I went to a one room school in my formative years, what I meant to say was incidence. As to what caliber someone uses, I care not as long as the animal suffers as little as possible. It is difficult to discuss bullet performance with many whitetail hunters as many whitetails are shot broadside and are realitively small animals, thus few bullets are recovered and little resistance is met. I have shot completely through the lung cavity of a large mule deer with a heavy winter coat using a 380 ACP and expanding bullets. Not much can be derived from this experement without recovered bullets. I hope my rambling has cleared the air, somewhat.