22 target
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Christopher II
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The S&W Model 41 is your best choice of the guns you list, but it's WAY overpriced for what you get. I like them, they're good guns, but not $700 good.
The Benelli has a shakey rep among serious target shooters. I'd pass, unless I got a smoking deal.
The Walther P22 I know nothing about, except that it's unbearably cute. If your planning on competing in ISU or bullseye matches, the small size will work against you.
I really like the High-Standards, but finding a nice one these days can be tough. Hold out for a Camden manufacture model, the new ones made in Texas aren't as nice.
Have you considered a Baikal IZH-35M? It's a Russian target pistol, kind of homely, but well made and inexpensive.
- Chris
The Benelli has a shakey rep among serious target shooters. I'd pass, unless I got a smoking deal.
The Walther P22 I know nothing about, except that it's unbearably cute. If your planning on competing in ISU or bullseye matches, the small size will work against you.
I really like the High-Standards, but finding a nice one these days can be tough. Hold out for a Camden manufacture model, the new ones made in Texas aren't as nice.
Have you considered a Baikal IZH-35M? It's a Russian target pistol, kind of homely, but well made and inexpensive.
- Chris
Indeed, the Baikal is awesome. It's the platform for Walther's new target-grade pistol, which they sell for about twice as much because it has better grips and says Walther.
The P22 is totally inappropriate for Bullseye, if that's what you're after. It's a great little plinking gun and super for training newbies, but it has neither the trigger nor the inherent accuracy to shoot at 50 yards.
Nothing wrong with a Ruger MkII with anatomic grips either. For bullseye, it's hard to beat the Baikal.
The P22 is totally inappropriate for Bullseye, if that's what you're after. It's a great little plinking gun and super for training newbies, but it has neither the trigger nor the inherent accuracy to shoot at 50 yards.
Nothing wrong with a Ruger MkII with anatomic grips either. For bullseye, it's hard to beat the Baikal.
Just to make your choice MORE difficult, let me also recommend the Browning Buckmark and the Ruger MKII. Both can be had in enhanced "target" configurations, are relatively inexpensive, are very accurate and reliable. Many upgrades are also available for the MKII.
Walther P22? I have one. A 2-barreled set. It's built like a toy, has "plinking" accuracy, and has been far less than reliable. It broke the first day I fired it (S&W repaired it quickly, though) It also has a poor trigger and is built for child-sized hands. My nephew loves it, though. It does look cool. Not $350 cool, though
Russ
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Walther P22? I have one. A 2-barreled set. It's built like a toy, has "plinking" accuracy, and has been far less than reliable. It broke the first day I fired it (S&W repaired it quickly, though) It also has a poor trigger and is built for child-sized hands. My nephew loves it, though. It does look cool. Not $350 cool, though
Russ
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I certainly hope that by 'Walthers new 22' you were NOT referring to the P22. As others have said it is totally inappropriate for your intended purpose. I think you mean the KP200. If so it is probably the best of those that you listed. Not a GSP, but half the price. If not the KP200 I would pick the Benelli Atlanta. The same price as the Walther and will cut one hole groups at 25 meters. I have a friend with one and it is sweet.
Standing Wolf
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I'm familiar with the Smith & Wesson model 41 and High Standards, but not the rest. Between the two, I'd definitely choose the High Standard, although they're no longer made.
In the first place, Smith & Wesson hasn't repudiated the anti-Second Amendment deal it made with the Snopes Clinton-Liar Gore régime, so anything new from that company wouldn't be on my list of possibilities. In the second, the model 41 I bought about two years ago has proved an acceptable gun, but only after I invested the cost of an action job, replaced the recoil spring, and replaced the stocks. In the third place, the rear sight kept falling off my model 41, and when I tightened the set screw(s), it warped the rail, which then scraped against the top of the slide. If the rear sight and its slot had been manufactured to tight dimensions, the problem would never have arisen. It's a reasonably accurate gun.
My High Standards weren't very well finished, and they don't accept all brands of ammunition, nor can I swap magazines from pistol to pistol to pistol without incurring reliability problems; within those constraints, however, they're all sweet-hearts and wonderfully accurate.
Nota bene: current production High Standards manufactured in Houston, Texas are not of the same quality as genuine High Standards manufactured by the original company in Connecticut. I've read plenty of horror stories about people sending the Houston manufacturer money, never seeing their guns, and being unable to contact him about refunds for months on end.
My next .22 caliber pistol is going to be a Volquartsen remanufactured Ruger. I've never cared a great deal for Rugers, but everything I've heard and read about Volquartsens has been highly positive. I'd have bought one already, but am still living in the People's Republic of California, which prohibits them.
In the first place, Smith & Wesson hasn't repudiated the anti-Second Amendment deal it made with the Snopes Clinton-Liar Gore régime, so anything new from that company wouldn't be on my list of possibilities. In the second, the model 41 I bought about two years ago has proved an acceptable gun, but only after I invested the cost of an action job, replaced the recoil spring, and replaced the stocks. In the third place, the rear sight kept falling off my model 41, and when I tightened the set screw(s), it warped the rail, which then scraped against the top of the slide. If the rear sight and its slot had been manufactured to tight dimensions, the problem would never have arisen. It's a reasonably accurate gun.
My High Standards weren't very well finished, and they don't accept all brands of ammunition, nor can I swap magazines from pistol to pistol to pistol without incurring reliability problems; within those constraints, however, they're all sweet-hearts and wonderfully accurate.
Nota bene: current production High Standards manufactured in Houston, Texas are not of the same quality as genuine High Standards manufactured by the original company in Connecticut. I've read plenty of horror stories about people sending the Houston manufacturer money, never seeing their guns, and being unable to contact him about refunds for months on end.
My next .22 caliber pistol is going to be a Volquartsen remanufactured Ruger. I've never cared a great deal for Rugers, but everything I've heard and read about Volquartsens has been highly positive. I'd have bought one already, but am still living in the People's Republic of California, which prohibits them.
S&W 41
best one on your list.
I'd suggest the ruger 22/45 target model, and agree that the browning buckmark target is great also.
But I don't know if any of those 3 I named are even on the approved in MA list. I know there is one S&W 22 that has recently been ok'd for sale here, can't remember the model number, It's decent, but nothing great.
best one on your list.
I'd suggest the ruger 22/45 target model, and agree that the browning buckmark target is great also.
But I don't know if any of those 3 I named are even on the approved in MA list. I know there is one S&W 22 that has recently been ok'd for sale here, can't remember the model number, It's decent, but nothing great.
I have a Hi Standard.
HAD a M41. H-S trigger FAR better and EASILY adjustable to unbelievable pull. Course mine is the old E. Hartford model.
The M-41 torqued on me. Most won't notice, but I get PICKY.
Pull trigger, gun went off, pistol torqued to one side. Not much, but it bothered me. Also I....think....the M41 only had backlash adjustment whereas the HS has backlash AND pull adjustment on the Trophy and Victor models.
The torquing may be because with .22 target pistol, I use a very light hold. Just enough to keep it on the target.
I like the LOOKS of the M41 but the groups of the HS.
The M46 is a lesser frill less shiny M41. The M41 was named because it was developed in 1941 but not released then.
HAD a M41. H-S trigger FAR better and EASILY adjustable to unbelievable pull. Course mine is the old E. Hartford model.
The M-41 torqued on me. Most won't notice, but I get PICKY.
Pull trigger, gun went off, pistol torqued to one side. Not much, but it bothered me. Also I....think....the M41 only had backlash adjustment whereas the HS has backlash AND pull adjustment on the Trophy and Victor models.
The torquing may be because with .22 target pistol, I use a very light hold. Just enough to keep it on the target.
I like the LOOKS of the M41 but the groups of the HS.
The M46 is a lesser frill less shiny M41. The M41 was named because it was developed in 1941 but not released then.
629 shooter
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I own a 41 with a 5.5" barrel and a Ruger MKII also with a 5.5" barrel.
Out of the box the 41 is better suited for bullseye competition. The trigger is much crisper and lighter as well it should be for the price. Also the takedown makes it very easy to change barrels - for example if you wanted to have one open sight barrel and one with a dot sight or a 5.5" and 7" barrel. The takedown for cleaning is pretty simple compared to the Ruger. The pistol feels more ergonomic - that is very subjective and just a matter of personel preference. However , I still plan to get target grips.
The Ruger is accurate and reliable but the stock trigger was not well suited for one-hand bullseye style target shooting. I sent mine to Clark Custom Guns for a trigger job and it was well worth it. Trigger extremely crisp - actually better than the 41! Have won a few indoor pistol leagues with it. Maybe because I have shot it so much - the trigger last time I checked was 28 ounces. Too light for sanctioned bullseye competition I believe.
Does anyone know about the Sig Trailside? Last one I seen at a gun shop was priced at around $450.
Out of the box the 41 is better suited for bullseye competition. The trigger is much crisper and lighter as well it should be for the price. Also the takedown makes it very easy to change barrels - for example if you wanted to have one open sight barrel and one with a dot sight or a 5.5" and 7" barrel. The takedown for cleaning is pretty simple compared to the Ruger. The pistol feels more ergonomic - that is very subjective and just a matter of personel preference. However , I still plan to get target grips.
The Ruger is accurate and reliable but the stock trigger was not well suited for one-hand bullseye style target shooting. I sent mine to Clark Custom Guns for a trigger job and it was well worth it. Trigger extremely crisp - actually better than the 41! Have won a few indoor pistol leagues with it. Maybe because I have shot it so much - the trigger last time I checked was 28 ounces. Too light for sanctioned bullseye competition I believe.
Does anyone know about the Sig Trailside? Last one I seen at a gun shop was priced at around $450.
The Baikal looks like a Pardini, are they similar?I'll have to agree with Bowhntr...The Baikal is a tack driver and is relatively cheap. You can find them at CDNN. I believe that EAA imports them. The only downside to this gun is that the mag only holds 6 rounds. The other .22 I would consider is a Sig/Hammerli Trailside. This is a bit more expensive but just as accurate.
VictorLouis
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I've got a 46.
It's every bit the gun as a 41. If you can find a deal on one, don't hesitate.
No one has mentioned the Volquartesen target upper(receiver/barrel). If you found a used MK2 or 22/45, you can get a trigger job and one of these uppers for competition. Use the stock upper for plinking, and you are still practicing with the same trigger. I don't have any experience with it, it just seems interesting.
As to a true target gun, that Baikal is something I would look at strongly.
It's every bit the gun as a 41. If you can find a deal on one, don't hesitate.
No one has mentioned the Volquartesen target upper(receiver/barrel). If you found a used MK2 or 22/45, you can get a trigger job and one of these uppers for competition. Use the stock upper for plinking, and you are still practicing with the same trigger. I don't have any experience with it, it just seems interesting.
As to a true target gun, that Baikal is something I would look at strongly.