I have recently kind of become interested in shooting 22 LR at long distance. I wanted to see if I could get some answers in here. Many times I will take my various brands of 22 LR bullets out and look for the tightest group(s) to try and narrow down which one I need. One thing I have noticed is that a certain brand will shoot a real tight group and I will continue shooting through the various brands. At the end of shooting I will have about 3 brands that shot better. I can then shoot groups with these and many times the groups are worse than the ones I have already eliminated. Very frustrating. Does this have to do with the fouling in the barrel? Does this have to do with the barrel warming up (I would not think so in a 22)? I've even heard that some 22 ammo leave residue and wax in the barrel that will effect further rounds going down the barrel. Any suggestions?
22 LR shooting long distance
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Rimfire has gremlins. 
Lots of factors, and yes, fouling and lube (from the bullets) will contribute to erratic velocities, and groups. There are lots of ways folks attack the problem.
I have gone to the CCI powder coated bullets, but they don't make one that is both accurate and sub-sonic. So, I use the walnut shaker method to de-lube the 22RF ammo. New Walnut media in a plastic container with a lid, dump in a box and manually shake. Not crazy, just enough to keep the media moving around. Dump out in Colander and blow off with compressed air. Then, depending on brand, sort by weight. While you have to shoot batches for their POI, the groups will be tighter.
You will need to clean the barrel a little more often, especially the chamber. I keep a few foam tipped swabs and wipe out the chamber with CLP every 50 rounds or so. BJ Norris did the same thing with the Walnut, which is where I learned it, but he puts a drop of Rem Oil on the first bullet in a mag. He mostly is speed shooting, so does not care about the first shot being a little off.
Lots of factors, and yes, fouling and lube (from the bullets) will contribute to erratic velocities, and groups. There are lots of ways folks attack the problem.
I have gone to the CCI powder coated bullets, but they don't make one that is both accurate and sub-sonic. So, I use the walnut shaker method to de-lube the 22RF ammo. New Walnut media in a plastic container with a lid, dump in a box and manually shake. Not crazy, just enough to keep the media moving around. Dump out in Colander and blow off with compressed air. Then, depending on brand, sort by weight. While you have to shoot batches for their POI, the groups will be tighter.
You will need to clean the barrel a little more often, especially the chamber. I keep a few foam tipped swabs and wipe out the chamber with CLP every 50 rounds or so. BJ Norris did the same thing with the Walnut, which is where I learned it, but he puts a drop of Rem Oil on the first bullet in a mag. He mostly is speed shooting, so does not care about the first shot being a little off.
The shooter could be tired. Take break often.
-TL
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There are some very long discussions/arguments about how often to clean when shooting precision rimfire, I tend to go towards the "every time I shoot", and then a few fouling shots. I've also heard it from numerous sources that you should clean between ammunition brands as well, so that you've only got fouling from one type of bullet lube in the barrel at once. Shooter fatigue also plays into it. When I was finding ammo for my two precision rimfire rifles I experienced much the same of what you did: after lots of five round groups from different brands and types I'd pick the best shooting then work with it, but by then I was just plain old tired and my groups opened up accordingly.
Its been said already once in this thread, but you are going to want to shoot subsonic/standard velocity, otherwise your bullet is going to be going trans-sonic a little past 100 yards and that makes things much harder.
Its been said already once in this thread, but you are going to want to shoot subsonic/standard velocity, otherwise your bullet is going to be going trans-sonic a little past 100 yards and that makes things much harder.
Will do! Texas heat is my worst enemy. 100 plus every day.
Thank you man. I think I will clean between brands and just cover all my bases I can. Thank you for your suggestions.
Best scores (accuracy?) in 22 rimfire rifle matches are made with barrels cleaned every 50 to 60 shots. Ask a master classified competitive shooter.
After 20 thousand rounds, a good barrel can be set back an inch. Once.
Prior to 1980, good lots of match ammo tested about quarter MOA at 50 yards, about half MOA at 100. The primer formula in all makes was changed in 1980 and test group sizes almost doubled, barrel life almost halved.
After 20 thousand rounds, a good barrel can be set back an inch. Once.
Prior to 1980, good lots of match ammo tested about quarter MOA at 50 yards, about half MOA at 100. The primer formula in all makes was changed in 1980 and test group sizes almost doubled, barrel life almost halved.
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This is article on long range 22cal.
https://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/threads/the-las-vegas-22-elr-rumble-is-in-the-books.5405/
https://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/threads/the-las-vegas-22-elr-rumble-is-in-the-books.5405/
stagpanther
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Interesting report roper--I was wondering if anyone was instead going the route of using CE's copper hand-loads, which reportedly have been effective to 800 yds+ but require much faster twist than all-lead.
I've only stretched out to 200 and its quite a bit bigger than 5" at the moment (Christensen Arms Ranger and Eley Tenex). I don't have my data book in front of me but I recall my drop from 50 yards to 100 was 6.2" and I wouldn't trust it to memory but over 2 feet from 50-200, and even at 100 its relatively easy to see the bullet arc up through the scope then back down on target. I don't quite have the free time to get into the sport as much as I would like, but I'll be retiring towards the end of this year and it has caught enough of my interest that I'm going to be doing a lot more of it. And going from shooting mostly .243 and 6.5 to long range .22......... you learn a LOT about windage, really fast.
Geezerbiker
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Many years ago (35+) I used to practice shooting .22 long rifle at 100 yards well because I had Mondays off and not much else to do on that day. I found that I could get varying group sizes from 2 to 5 inches by finding an ammo my rifle liked. The 2 brands I had the best luck with are no longer available. So if I tried this again, I'd be starting from scratch.
Anyway try all the brands that are available to you and see what your rifle likes best. I found that the cheaper the ammo, the dirtier it shot. After 150 rounds of Blazer my .22 semi-auto was so sluggish, it wouldn't fire. Rinsing it out with Ed's Red always restored functionality. I run a lightly oiled patch down the bore once in a while but I've found my .22 rim-fire rifles shoot best with fouled barrel. Typically it takes 10 rounds or so to get the rifle shooting good again after a good bore scrubbing...
Tony
Anyway try all the brands that are available to you and see what your rifle likes best. I found that the cheaper the ammo, the dirtier it shot. After 150 rounds of Blazer my .22 semi-auto was so sluggish, it wouldn't fire. Rinsing it out with Ed's Red always restored functionality. I run a lightly oiled patch down the bore once in a while but I've found my .22 rim-fire rifles shoot best with fouled barrel. Typically it takes 10 rounds or so to get the rifle shooting good again after a good bore scrubbing...
Tony
stagpanther
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MOA- at even one hundred yards is exceptional for factory ammo and rifles IMO. Speaking of which, my CZ 457 has always shown a preference for RWS R50--clearly more consistent than any other factory ammo including tenex. Problem is (besides being very expensive) is I haven't been able to find it anywhere for quite some time--but diid find some R100 at Creedmoor sports. Anyone have experience with the 100 and how well it compares to the 50??
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jetinteriorguy
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A few years ago I picked up a Savage B22 for a good price and put a cheap Bushnell scope on it. All up I have about $250.00 in it. It has a heavy barrel profile and a fairly decent trigger. Out to 75yds it consistently shoots ten round groups MOA, and at 100 opens up to about 1 1/4 MOA. It amazes me how nice this little rifle shoots. It’s not terribly sensitive to ammo, the most it opens up using any brand is an additional 1/2 MOA but likes Aguila best. I think a better scope might tighten it up a bit since the dot in the middle of the cross hairs is about 1 MOA in size, but it’s good enough for me just the way it is. I’ve put about a thousand rounds through it and still haven’t cleaned it. The only beef I have is their rotary magazine design leaves a lot to be desired, a real PITA to load.
stagpanther
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I went out this afternoon and tried some of my precious R-50--only about 30 rounds left in my last box, and my first "long" distance is 120 yds. Managed one group of 6 shots at 1.16 MOA and a second at 1.7 MOA through my CZ 457 jaguar. Very challenging IMO--but as with anything 22lr--very fun!!
stagpanther
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Pure balderdash!
Hah hah, just kidding. Are you talking rimfire, centerfire or both? In the case of rimfire what I've experienced reloading for it is that tolerances are much tighter than they are for centerfire--both dimensionally as well as proportion of propellant. My guess is the most important factor in consistency is the repeatable precision in manufacturing of the ammo and barrels. I imagine that probably has improved along with the improvements in manufacturing technologies.
I think he meant it got worse, not improved.
-TL
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stagpanther
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I know he meant things got worse--but I can't tell whether or not he meant it as a blanket statement covering all ammo--in other words centerfire, rimfire etc. If so, it sounds like what he's saying is everything became crap and lost half it's accuracy and barrel life after circa 1980.