.22 Concealed Carry?
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I've been looking at a lot of .22 pistols I want (well, 3), and one of my siblings were looking at a .22.
So for myself, I have a 9mm XD mod 2, but if I got a .22 revolver and wanted to carry that I was curious ammo types and if there were any other .22 fun guns that would be able to double as a ccw. I don't specifically intend to carry a .22, I was just curious.
Now, if my sister got a .22, that's all she'd have so far so I was also wondering on her behalf.
Thanks for all the responses so far!
Lee
Super Sneaky Steve
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CCI Stingers are the best I've found in .22lr. They have a longer case to hold more powder than a regular .22.
What I have in my pocket right now is a S&W 351PD in .22WMR. I have Speer Gold Dots loaded in it.
What I have in my pocket right now is a S&W 351PD in .22WMR. I have Speer Gold Dots loaded in it.
Bill DeShivs
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"CCI Stingers are the best I've found in .22lr. They have a longer case to hold more powder than a regular .22."
Incorrect. The longer case holds a smaller (.22 short-type) bullet. The lighter bullet is primarily responsible for the increase in the Stinger's velocity.
Incorrect. The longer case holds a smaller (.22 short-type) bullet. The lighter bullet is primarily responsible for the increase in the Stinger's velocity.
Why? Perhaps a .22Mag instead? But why such a small caliber to make an attacker madder without stopping him/her? Perhaps you could use an ice-pick instead. Just kidding. A conceal carry should be semi-compact with a walup to put a stop to the attack. A .380 or 9mm would be a better option, I'd think.
Bill DeShivs
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Maybe, but not very much better.
only your hits count
until shrapnel or the concussive shock from a miss by a handgun round counts, i prefer to shoot what i can reliably hit with. for me a ruger lcr 22lr works. in my hands it never fails to reliably put its 8 rounds into center mass at defense ranges. while i like the yellow jacket, the 22lr is not a combat round and there are indeed better defense rounds, if one can reliably hit with them. i figure that if i ever did find myself in a shootout then being able to carry more 22lr ammo would mean more suppressive fire so i can break contact. a ruger lcr 22lr and 200 rounds is in my car's get home bag. all that said, i do appreciate the other end of the caliber spectrum so my other commonly carried piece is a bond arms derringer loaded with handgun specific 410 buckshot, with the extended rubber grips. at close range i reliably hit center mass with 2x3 >30 caliber balls. now, if only ruger would come out with a lcr-x 22lr kit gun with 3" barrel and exposed hammer...
until shrapnel or the concussive shock from a miss by a handgun round counts, i prefer to shoot what i can reliably hit with. for me a ruger lcr 22lr works. in my hands it never fails to reliably put its 8 rounds into center mass at defense ranges. while i like the yellow jacket, the 22lr is not a combat round and there are indeed better defense rounds, if one can reliably hit with them. i figure that if i ever did find myself in a shootout then being able to carry more 22lr ammo would mean more suppressive fire so i can break contact. a ruger lcr 22lr and 200 rounds is in my car's get home bag. all that said, i do appreciate the other end of the caliber spectrum so my other commonly carried piece is a bond arms derringer loaded with handgun specific 410 buckshot, with the extended rubber grips. at close range i reliably hit center mass with 2x3 >30 caliber balls. now, if only ruger would come out with a lcr-x 22lr kit gun with 3" barrel and exposed hammer...
I think most 22 handguns would be able to put a substantial amount of lead thru a target (be it paper or flesh) at defensive ranges......say point blank up to 15 yds. Most times a gun fight ain't like the movies in the old west. It is up close and personal.
I have a Ruger Mk 1 that I bought brand new back in 1976 for $79 at Monkey Wards.
I have a High Standard Double Nine that is as accurate as anything I have in regard to handguns.
I have a cheapo revolver that I bought for $15.
They all shoot good enough to make an impact.
When we were kids, we would use a knife and cut an "X" in the nose of a standard 22 LR and the effects were quite impressive expansion wise.
As far as penetration goes, I killed a full grown cow with one shot so that should say something for effectiveness. She died quickly. Faster than some deer that I have shot.
I have a Ruger Mk 1 that I bought brand new back in 1976 for $79 at Monkey Wards.
I have a High Standard Double Nine that is as accurate as anything I have in regard to handguns.
I have a cheapo revolver that I bought for $15.
They all shoot good enough to make an impact.
When we were kids, we would use a knife and cut an "X" in the nose of a standard 22 LR and the effects were quite impressive expansion wise.
As far as penetration goes, I killed a full grown cow with one shot so that should say something for effectiveness. She died quickly. Faster than some deer that I have shot.
Bill DeShivs
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Sigh.....
OK- NO handgun is the "hammer of Thor." The ONLY sure shot is a CNS shot. Anything else, even the heart, gives an attacker ample time to do you harm.
SO- a CNS shot with a .22 does the same thing as a CNS shot with a .44 magnum- an immediate stop.
Given that the bigger calibers do have more power and diameter, they do have the advantage. But, how much REAL advantage?
Caliber is absolutely not a substitute for marksmanship.
OK- NO handgun is the "hammer of Thor." The ONLY sure shot is a CNS shot. Anything else, even the heart, gives an attacker ample time to do you harm.
SO- a CNS shot with a .22 does the same thing as a CNS shot with a .44 magnum- an immediate stop.
Given that the bigger calibers do have more power and diameter, they do have the advantage. But, how much REAL advantage?
Caliber is absolutely not a substitute for marksmanship.
Unless belly to belly with an adversary where immediate reaction is your only option i echo Bill in suggesting with a pistol accuracy of your fire is more important than fire power no matter what the caliber. Even if the target is only a few feet away, particularly in a congested area with semi panicked persons, the placement of your shot is paramount to ending the crisis as quickly as possible. A carry pistol with a heavy trigger is surely going to defeat accuracy on that first critical shot, safeties can also work against the person who does not routinely train with placing the weapon into action and firing that first very important shot.
Why the "sigh" Bill? I concur with your explanation, but your other comment didn't allow for all of that. Of course the "hammer of Thor" comment was mine, but I DO think there is a lot of difference between a .22 and a properly fed 9/.40/.45 etc. CNS hits are not all cranial-ocular hits. Sometimes the spine is inadvertantly hit by COM hits, but I would consider this neigh unto impossible for the .22lr from a handgun.
Bill DeShivs
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I just get tired of saying it.
I'm sure the animals that Guv shot with the .44 were deader than the ones shot with a .22.
I am not advocating carrying a .22 What I AM advocating is that having a gun (any gun) puts you miles ahead of not having one. There is no doubt that bigger guns are better- but by what magnitude? My contention is "not very much."
Bullet size helps a very tiny amount, as does velocity and weight. But-you still need a CNS shot to be sure of a stop.
That is not to say that a hit somewhere else won't produce a psychological stop, or that simply producing a gun won't produce a stop. Odds are that it will.
Those that choose to lug a Desert Eagle around with them have an advantage if they have to shoot someone. The guy with the Browning .25 has an advantage 99.5% of the time because he is carrying a tiny gun. If the .25 guy actually has to shoot, and places his shots well-his armament is good enough.
I'm sure the animals that Guv shot with the .44 were deader than the ones shot with a .22.
I am not advocating carrying a .22 What I AM advocating is that having a gun (any gun) puts you miles ahead of not having one. There is no doubt that bigger guns are better- but by what magnitude? My contention is "not very much."
Bullet size helps a very tiny amount, as does velocity and weight. But-you still need a CNS shot to be sure of a stop.
That is not to say that a hit somewhere else won't produce a psychological stop, or that simply producing a gun won't produce a stop. Odds are that it will.
Those that choose to lug a Desert Eagle around with them have an advantage if they have to shoot someone. The guy with the Browning .25 has an advantage 99.5% of the time because he is carrying a tiny gun. If the .25 guy actually has to shoot, and places his shots well-his armament is good enough.
The other day I was at work in downtown Seattle, WA and witnessed a fight between some of the homeless population. The aggressive one got kicked out and stormed by where I was working (this has happened multiple times over the past few years), and I was definitely reminded that it is better to carry SOMETHING than nothing. I didn't have my 9mm on me, but the least I could have done was have a little mouse gun available. Sitting there with nothing was not a pleasant experience. Security wound up escorting him off property, but all the same, I would rather have a gun on me.
CCI Velocitor would be my ammo of choice in 22LR. Of course a longer barrel = more punch but less conceal-ability. However, the original post seems to assume they already have the gun and don't want to buy anything else. So rather than seek a 22 with a longer barrel, I would buy a more potent gun at that point.
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