1969 Ruger Blackhawk
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jackmoser65
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Sorry but $500 should net a much nicer sample. I would say $350-$400 for this one, without the scope and with a rear sight. Less if the mount has damaged the finish.
No, it's purely voluntary.
What is 'voluntary', is someone sending the gun in just to have the conversion done...
From my experience (and everyone I have ever talked to on the subject), Ruger WILL convert any old model sent to them for any reason at all, whether asked to convert or not...
'Usually' they will send the original parts back with the gun, but it will come back from the factory 'converted' to the transfer bar system...
Bob Wright
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45_Auto said:
Very often, the original parts get "lost" during the transformation, or fail to be included in the return box, never to be found again. If sending the gun to Ruger, remove and keep your original innards. Trying to find replacement parts is a pretty expensive and time consuming search.
Bob Wright
Very often, the original parts get "lost" during the transformation, or fail to be included in the return box, never to be found again. If sending the gun to Ruger, remove and keep your original innards. Trying to find replacement parts is a pretty expensive and time consuming search.
Bob Wright
Not a Ruger employee, and did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but my understanding is that the settlement required Ruger to convert every original model (3 screw) BlackHawk that came in, no matter what it came in for.
Ruger was not required to, and did not issue a recall.
For twenty years or more, I have only heard of how good Ruger was at sending back the original parts. Today, I am hearing otherwise, but cannot personally speak to the validity of the complaints.
I have had close to a dozen "new model"s, and only one "old model" Have never had a converted old model.
Apparently, what ever Ruger does to convert the old models has a reputation for "ruining" the trigger pull. Or at least that is the popular wisdom running about today.
Old model = good trigger New model =ok trigger, converted old model = trigger sucks. Have heard this, or something very much like it, from a number of people (and the reason people put the original parts back in a converted Blackhawk, to get the good trigger pull back)
Can't say it is true, and I won't say it's not, ... but there's been talk!!!
Ruger was not required to, and did not issue a recall.
For twenty years or more, I have only heard of how good Ruger was at sending back the original parts. Today, I am hearing otherwise, but cannot personally speak to the validity of the complaints.
I have had close to a dozen "new model"s, and only one "old model" Have never had a converted old model.
Apparently, what ever Ruger does to convert the old models has a reputation for "ruining" the trigger pull. Or at least that is the popular wisdom running about today.
Old model = good trigger New model =ok trigger, converted old model = trigger sucks. Have heard this, or something very much like it, from a number of people (and the reason people put the original parts back in a converted Blackhawk, to get the good trigger pull back)
Can't say it is true, and I won't say it's not, ... but there's been talk!!!
Bob Wright
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gunsmith Hamilton Bowen claims that transfer bar converted Three Screw Rugers can be tuned up to provide very slick actions. I've had three such conversions, never sent them to Bowen for action jobs. But each came with a horrible action, sort of a "ratchety-clackety" cocking with a gritty trigger pull, and this, coupled with that awful looking hammer, prompted me to get the parts to put back as was.
My opinion is that anyone who has a Three Screw gun and wants a transfer bar, trade your gun in for a New Model. I have found no real difference in the smothness of the actions between original Three Screw and New Model guns, after a little slicking up.
Bob Wright
My opinion is that anyone who has a Three Screw gun and wants a transfer bar, trade your gun in for a New Model. I have found no real difference in the smothness of the actions between original Three Screw and New Model guns, after a little slicking up.
Bob Wright
jackmoser65
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Usually. Sometimes not.
I don't know what you're talking about. Your comment and my comment that you quoted are completely unrelated. Ruger's decision to convert the old models is purely voluntary on their part. In other words, NOT part of a legal settlement.
It does. A stock old model is quite nice. A converted old model is nasty. Although some report that the conversion action can be slicked up by a gunsmith who knows what he's doing.
jackmoser65 said:
I never said it was part of a settlement...You seem to have ignored what I did say...
Salmoneye said:
The bottom line is if you send an unconverted three screw to Ruger for any reason whatsoever, it WILL come back converted...
Not sure how that disagrees with your previous post...
Saint Dennis
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Super is a 3 screw. Still original guts. The factory trigger is OK. IMHO, every Ruger comes from the factory in need of a trigger job.
jackmoser65
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What we have here is a failure to communicate. The comment I made, that you quoted and your response to it are unrelated. You're arguing a point I never made.
This is not in question. It's also not what I was talking about.
Ruger will convert any unconverted old model sent to them...
The conversion at the factory is not voluntary...Any employee that sends back an unconverted old model would be reprimanded or sacked...
Whether they do it for grins, or due to a 'settlement' is irrelevant...
What IS 'voluntary' is an individual's choice whether to send in an old model...
Not sure where your disconnect is...
The conversion at the factory is not voluntary...Any employee that sends back an unconverted old model would be reprimanded or sacked...
Whether they do it for grins, or due to a 'settlement' is irrelevant...
What IS 'voluntary' is an individual's choice whether to send in an old model...
Not sure where your disconnect is...
jackmoser65
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You obviously haven't actually read the thread, the post I responded to or my response. You are arguing against a point I NEVER made.
It was stated the Ruger created the New Model and performs the conversion on old models due to a legal settlement. My response is that this is not true. THAT is what is voluntary, on Ruger's part.
You are arguing something completely different and I do not disagree with you. Yes, Ruger ALWAYS converts an old model that comes into their possession.
God almighty, your reading comprehension could use some polish.
It was stated the Ruger created the New Model and performs the conversion on old models due to a legal settlement. My response is that this is not true. THAT is what is voluntary, on Ruger's part.
You are arguing something completely different and I do not disagree with you. Yes, Ruger ALWAYS converts an old model that comes into their possession.
The decision made by Ruger to do the conversion on old models was purely voluntary and NOT part of a legal settlement.
It is relevant when someone claims it is done due to a legal settlement when that is incorrect.
God almighty, your reading comprehension could use some polish.
Jack, as a tip, your first post easily read the "wrong" way and sounded like you thought Ruger might send a gun back unconverted, it read like you argued that.
Being technically right, and being right, aren't really the same as you've just experienced. Next time just edit and say sorry.
Being technically right, and being right, aren't really the same as you've just experienced. Next time just edit and say sorry.
jackmoser65
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I don't agree. The comment I quoted puts my response in the proper context. I'm not editing my first post or saying I'm sorry. Since I fully explained it yet again and it was still taken out of context.
As in, Ruger does not have to do the conversion as part of any legal settlement. Doing the conversion on old models is purely voluntary on Ruger's part. As was the new model update in 1973. I don't know how much more clear I can be. As I said, what I see is a fault in someone's reading comprehension. Of not only the first post but subsequent posts.
No, it's purely voluntary.
As in, Ruger does not have to do the conversion as part of any legal settlement. Doing the conversion on old models is purely voluntary on Ruger's part. As was the new model update in 1973. I don't know how much more clear I can be. As I said, what I see is a fault in someone's reading comprehension. Of not only the first post but subsequent posts.
Kindly mind your own business. I'm not editing or apologizing for someone else's lack of reading comprehension.
If you are wary of getting your OM parts back from Ruger, just take them out before you send the gun to them. Pretty simple. However, Ruger's own website says they will return the parts along with the converted gun.
http://ruger.com/pdf/safetyOfferAd.pdf
http://ruger.com/pdf/safetyOfferAd.pdf