1911a1 - CMP
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The bill was signed authorizing pistol sales. CMP must obtain an FFL and all handguns must be transferred through FFL holder (no idea if C&R will be OK).
But wait...there's a catch. The law ALLOWS the sales, it doesn't mandate them. An Obama appointee must authorize and I suspect that he will refuse. I would not hold my breath for any 1911s from the CMP any time soon.
PS: I have heard that the vast majority of the 1911s in inventory are pretty badly trashed. A lot of junk. Most will not be worth the expected high asking price.
Wish my mom hadn't sold the 1911 my dad brought back from WW II. Or the 1stG SAA either for that matter.
But wait...there's a catch. The law ALLOWS the sales, it doesn't mandate them. An Obama appointee must authorize and I suspect that he will refuse. I would not hold my breath for any 1911s from the CMP any time soon.
PS: I have heard that the vast majority of the 1911s in inventory are pretty badly trashed. A lot of junk. Most will not be worth the expected high asking price.
Wish my mom hadn't sold the 1911 my dad brought back from WW II. Or the 1stG SAA either for that matter.
I was on active duty in the '80s and in the Guard through the '90s, with my Guard unit keeping M1911A1s until the late '90s. These were Infantry units, so it might have been different for MPs.
I'm not an expert, but basically all 1911A1s used by the US military dated no later than the end of WWII. They were inspected periodically, and met military standards, but I'm sure they had all been rebuilt at some point. All the ones I saw had the brown plastic grips.
Pistols seldom left the arms room except for the range, with only assigned users doing the qual course. There were always far more weapons than assigned users (especially in HQ companies, which had many more pistols than line companies). Other than range activities, pistols were almost never issued for training exercises, for fear of loss. A few would be issued for guard duty or payroll, but generally they did not go to the field (except for real-world missions).
I once witnessed a failure on the range, where the slide broke in two (luckily not injuring the shooter). I also occasionally saw what I know now were early two-tone mags. A fair number would be Colt 1911s upgraded to -A1, but the vast majority would be WWII manufacturers.
So, basically CMP .45s would be old, but milspec, fired not much per year, but for many years. Most will be in decent condition, but well-used.
I'm not an expert, but basically all 1911A1s used by the US military dated no later than the end of WWII. They were inspected periodically, and met military standards, but I'm sure they had all been rebuilt at some point. All the ones I saw had the brown plastic grips.
Pistols seldom left the arms room except for the range, with only assigned users doing the qual course. There were always far more weapons than assigned users (especially in HQ companies, which had many more pistols than line companies). Other than range activities, pistols were almost never issued for training exercises, for fear of loss. A few would be issued for guard duty or payroll, but generally they did not go to the field (except for real-world missions).
I once witnessed a failure on the range, where the slide broke in two (luckily not injuring the shooter). I also occasionally saw what I know now were early two-tone mags. A fair number would be Colt 1911s upgraded to -A1, but the vast majority would be WWII manufacturers.
So, basically CMP .45s would be old, but milspec, fired not much per year, but for many years. Most will be in decent condition, but well-used.
tahunua001
New member
old does not concern me, in fact that's one of my favorite criteria for buying a new gun.
used does not concern me, so long as all the "used" is cosmetic and not "split in half".
thanks guys for the first hand info. keep it coming.
GunXpatriot
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I don't want to self-promote per se, but I will if I can! I made a video outlining all (or the vast majority) of the necessary information regarding these CMP 1911's, so hopefully some of you find it helpful. Please do share it if you can. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmSghrKZ58Y
Also, let me know if you thought the video was decent or not. I'd like to do these more often when big news comes out, but they take a while to make and I just want to know that people kinda sorta want to watch them. I did a similar video for the ATF M855 fiasco and got 100% positive feedback, so I thought I'd try again. Sub if you want more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmSghrKZ58Y
Also, let me know if you thought the video was decent or not. I'd like to do these more often when big news comes out, but they take a while to make and I just want to know that people kinda sorta want to watch them. I did a similar video for the ATF M855 fiasco and got 100% positive feedback, so I thought I'd try again. Sub if you want more!
GunXpatriot
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BREAKING: Civilian Marksmanship Program 1911's CONFIRMED by LAW!
I can't believe it myself, and although the blogs are buzzing about it, there wasn't much info on YouTube, or even people talking about it on the forums. So I went ahead and did an in-depth video on it. I also added some things I felt that people needed to consider that are not being mentioned as well. Check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmSghrKZ58Y
Also, please do not hesitate to give me your feedback. I'm thinking of doing these more often, as the last one I did back when the ATF was going to ban M855 got 100% positive feedback. If people are actually going to watch them/subscribe, I'd love to do them regularly. Any thoughts?
I can't believe it myself, and although the blogs are buzzing about it, there wasn't much info on YouTube, or even people talking about it on the forums. So I went ahead and did an in-depth video on it. I also added some things I felt that people needed to consider that are not being mentioned as well. Check it out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmSghrKZ58Y
Also, please do not hesitate to give me your feedback. I'm thinking of doing these more often, as the last one I did back when the ATF was going to ban M855 got 100% positive feedback. If people are actually going to watch them/subscribe, I'd love to do them regularly. Any thoughts?
Gunex, Generally good information, maybe a bit premature as the Army has not as yet released the pistols to CMP, video too long maybe break it into two parts and finally the narration is a bit monotone coming out of my i pad with limited volume. Keep up the good work as any form of sharing pro firearms news is needed to counter the misconceptions and outright lies of Gov officials and anti gun lobby.
carguychris
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Saxon, you likely know this already, but for those not "in the know", these guns ARE C&R under the 50-year production-date rule, as standard military M1911 production ended with WWII in 1945.SaxonPig said:
The pertinent question is whether the CMP will SHIP the pistols directly to a C&R holder, as it's unlawful for a C&R holder to receive a non-antique handgun by mail, and UPS/FedEx rates are significantly higher than the USPS unless the sender negotiates a commercial contract deal.
<crosses fingers hoping for zero media attention>SaxonPig said:
Aguila Blanca
Staff
GunX -
I applaud your effort, but I confess that I couldn't make it even to the halfway point of your video. As already commented, you read the text in a monotone. IMHO, you also read it too fast. I found it extremely difficult to pay attention to the words
I also think there's a lot of fluff at the start. I'm not sure what the purpose of the video is but, if it is to discuss the CMP 1911s, then stick to the topic and don't bring in other information.
I didn't see any reason for the photo of the group with the American flag, nor did I get anything from the photo of a dinner plate with a gun next to it. The images didn't seem to be more than very loosely related to what you were reading.
In the words of Sergeant Joe Friday from the old TV show Dragnet, "The facts, [Sir], just the facts."
I applaud your effort, but I confess that I couldn't make it even to the halfway point of your video. As already commented, you read the text in a monotone. IMHO, you also read it too fast. I found it extremely difficult to pay attention to the words
I also think there's a lot of fluff at the start. I'm not sure what the purpose of the video is but, if it is to discuss the CMP 1911s, then stick to the topic and don't bring in other information.
I didn't see any reason for the photo of the group with the American flag, nor did I get anything from the photo of a dinner plate with a gun next to it. The images didn't seem to be more than very loosely related to what you were reading.
In the words of Sergeant Joe Friday from the old TV show Dragnet, "The facts, [Sir], just the facts."
GunXpatriot
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Thanks for the feedback, guys.
I agree that I sound kind of monotone, but I basically wrote a script and read off of it, and I think that's a habit I have to get out of because I always end up sounding monotone.
Problem is, I always have trouble articulating myself if I don't script it. Like, if I'm having a conversation with someone on the topic and I know a lot about it, I can talk for a while without having to think about it, but when I try to make a video I freeze up for some reason...
I think it's just something I'll have to practice and get better at over time.
Also for the pics, maybe the podcast type video is stupid because I don't have any visuals and I usually just stick semi-relevant pics in because I don't want a blank screen, so I think I can fix that if I just record myself like normal lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8dMa5EZOM
That was the one I did on the M855 thing and I think it came out much better. Meh, progress, not perfection I suppose.
Thanks for your thoughts. It'll help me work towards getting better!
I agree that I sound kind of monotone, but I basically wrote a script and read off of it, and I think that's a habit I have to get out of because I always end up sounding monotone.
Problem is, I always have trouble articulating myself if I don't script it. Like, if I'm having a conversation with someone on the topic and I know a lot about it, I can talk for a while without having to think about it, but when I try to make a video I freeze up for some reason...
I think it's just something I'll have to practice and get better at over time.
Also for the pics, maybe the podcast type video is stupid because I don't have any visuals and I usually just stick semi-relevant pics in because I don't want a blank screen, so I think I can fix that if I just record myself like normal lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri8dMa5EZOM
That was the one I did on the M855 thing and I think it came out much better. Meh, progress, not perfection I suppose.
Thanks for your thoughts. It'll help me work towards getting better!
I'm curious as to how many they will have in stock. I'd love to get one...but...where I'm currently stationed at, that will literally be impossible.
To my understanding, the timing involved would make ordering one while I'm back home on leave or something pretty much a no go. It could take weeks if not months if memory serves at times to get a CMP firearm to your local FFL, and seeing as I have no desire of committing a felony by having someone buy it in my stead, it looks like I'm just going to be SOL for a long while.
To my understanding, the timing involved would make ordering one while I'm back home on leave or something pretty much a no go. It could take weeks if not months if memory serves at times to get a CMP firearm to your local FFL, and seeing as I have no desire of committing a felony by having someone buy it in my stead, it looks like I'm just going to be SOL for a long while.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
The last military production M1911A1s were made in 1946. That means the youngest of them became C&R pistols as of 1996 or 1997 (depending on exactly how the 50 years is calculated).CowTowner said:
[This does not, of course, include much more recent small DoD purchases such as the Marine MEUSOC pistols, which are not in cold storage and are not part of the CMP program).]
johnwilliamson062
Moderator
I'd credit card a Singer 1911 without pause. In fact, I'd probably make a few trips to the North store to pick one out.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
There won't be any Singers. Three or four years ago I was at a gun show in York, PA, with a friend. We stood by while a vendor was explaining to a prospective buyer that there were only four Singers left in existence, and he was selling the nicest one of the four. Since I know a 1911 collector who personally owns two, that only leaves one unaccounted for.
johnwilliamson062
Moderator
Also, I wouldnt be surprised if CMP does not transfer to C&R holders as policy.
Got an email from cmp yesterday stating they didn't really have anything to share on the 1911 so please don't email or call. Sounded like they were getting pounded.
The NDAA 2016 has passed. We have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s. We will update our customers as we know more. Please do not email or call with questions regarding the 1911s. Our systems are overloaded.
The NDAA 2016 has passed. We have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s. We will update our customers as we know more. Please do not email or call with questions regarding the 1911s. Our systems are overloaded.