turkeestalker
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Honestly no, he hasn't shot a 1911 without a beavertail.... excellent line of thinking, thank you.
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I rarely shoot 1911s with beavertails, and the issue is more about the length and shape of the hammer spur, than the beavertail, per se.
Pistols with the hammer used during the WWI years will generally bite if you use a high hold, but if the more recent Colts have hammers shaped more like those used in the early '40s, it might not be a problem.
This thread shows the evolution of the hammer spurs and grip safeties.
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?102711-Colt-hammers-and-hammer-bite
Pistols with the hammer used during the WWI years will generally bite if you use a high hold, but if the more recent Colts have hammers shaped more like those used in the early '40s, it might not be a problem.
This thread shows the evolution of the hammer spurs and grip safeties.
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?102711-Colt-hammers-and-hammer-bite
Prof Young
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Most close to original colt . . .on a budget
I'm not an expert in this regard, but have been told, and research seems to verify this, that the Rock Island 1911 A1 is a close to an original issue Colt as one can get, especially if you are looking for something under $500. I've only had mine for a few days but really like it.
Live well, be safe
Prof Young
I'm not an expert in this regard, but have been told, and research seems to verify this, that the Rock Island 1911 A1 is a close to an original issue Colt as one can get, especially if you are looking for something under $500. I've only had mine for a few days but really like it.
Live well, be safe
Prof Young
turkeestalker
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Just an update, not that it really matters but I'm kind of excited and wanted to share.
I've grilled the boy and found that he leaned toward a stainless model rather than blued, though he did prefer a closer to original look overall.
So this is what he'll be getting this June for his 21st birthday.
NIB with two 7 round magazines for just under $850, not a great bargain mind you, but I don't mind spending a little more to be able to give the boy what he wants. Yes they are spoiled to some degree, but they're my sons and what's a dad to do?
It has the rubber grips on it so I'll be looking for a set of wood ones with the Colt medallion in a silver finish to go with it before I give it to him.
I'm betting he's gonna wet himself!
Now... I've purchased all of his and his brother's firearms gifts in my name up to this point, which have all been long guns.
Personal opinion of others, should I allow him to fill out the form and put this in his own name since it is a handgun? Does it really matter?
I've grilled the boy and found that he leaned toward a stainless model rather than blued, though he did prefer a closer to original look overall.
So this is what he'll be getting this June for his 21st birthday.
NIB with two 7 round magazines for just under $850, not a great bargain mind you, but I don't mind spending a little more to be able to give the boy what he wants. Yes they are spoiled to some degree, but they're my sons and what's a dad to do?
It has the rubber grips on it so I'll be looking for a set of wood ones with the Colt medallion in a silver finish to go with it before I give it to him.
I'm betting he's gonna wet himself!
Now... I've purchased all of his and his brother's firearms gifts in my name up to this point, which have all been long guns.
Personal opinion of others, should I allow him to fill out the form and put this in his own name since it is a handgun? Does it really matter?
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John Fritz
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Excellent!
Beautiful gun, fortunate kid
. In reference to transfering it to your son's name, I won't get into it but google gifting a firearm and it will pull up information in regards to the federal and state sides of the house in reference to those regulations. Again, great choice on that gun!!
. In reference to transfering it to your son's name, I won't get into it but google gifting a firearm and it will pull up information in regards to the federal and state sides of the house in reference to those regulations. Again, great choice on that gun!!Aguila Blanca
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Good choice.
However, it is completely legal for you to buy the gun and give it to him. Whether or not the transfer from you to him needs to go through an FFL depends on the laws of your state (if your son is in the same state). If your son is in another state, then the transfer from you to him has to go through an FFL in his state of residence.
Legally, he can't fill out the paperwork. One of the questions on the Form 4473 is "Are you the actual purchaser of this firearm?" Since you are paying for it, he is not the purchaser. If he checks "Yes," he'll be committing a federal felony.turkeestalker said:
However, it is completely legal for you to buy the gun and give it to him. Whether or not the transfer from you to him needs to go through an FFL depends on the laws of your state (if your son is in the same state). If your son is in another state, then the transfer from you to him has to go through an FFL in his state of residence.
turkeestalker
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Thanks Aguila, I hadn't actually thought about that technical aspect of the question on the 4473. Question answered.
It is legal for me to gift it to him without an official transfer through an FFL in the state of Missouri.
It is legal for me to gift it to him without an official transfer through an FFL in the state of Missouri.
That's a great gift, you'll need to post pics of your son's face when he opens it.
My father has given me many guns over the years, I've still got the first handgun he gave me almost 40 years ago and I'm still using it. The Colt is an excellent choice, there are lots of 1911s out there but there is only one original. I've got a Colt Commander being finished at the Colt Custom Shop for my son, it's been a long rocky road getting it built but it should be done in early spring. I can't wait to give it to him.
My father has given me many guns over the years, I've still got the first handgun he gave me almost 40 years ago and I'm still using it. The Colt is an excellent choice, there are lots of 1911s out there but there is only one original. I've got a Colt Commander being finished at the Colt Custom Shop for my son, it's been a long rocky road getting it built but it should be done in early spring. I can't wait to give it to him.
turkeestalker
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I completely understand the feeling of not being able to wait to give it to him WC145! 
Hunter Customs
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turkeestalker,
To answer that question, I would say do exactly what you did.
I built my Son his first handgun, a custom 1911, now I'm in the process of building my oldest Grandson a custom 1911.
In my opinion your Son chose a great handgun and my congratulations to you sir for being a great Dad.
Best Regards
Bob Hunter
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Beautiful gift, turkeestalker, I'm sure he will be proud of it.
My son just turned 21 this month, and I also gave him his first pistol, though not one so pretty
We've shot my pistols a lot over the years, and I noted that he always gravitated to my older CZ 75 pre B model, with the round trigger guard. Not only did he shoot it well, he had made remarks about how the older ones seemed to have a reputation for higher quality steel, the mystique surrounding the gun originally, etc. I could tell he had done a little reading on it.
So I found him one made in 1989, a little worn on the finish, but after a good cleaning, slick and accurate as hell. Gave it to him in a wooden gift box with some Ray-Ban Aviators and a nice leather banded Seiko watch. He grinned so big I thought his ears would fall off!
My son just turned 21 this month, and I also gave him his first pistol, though not one so pretty
We've shot my pistols a lot over the years, and I noted that he always gravitated to my older CZ 75 pre B model, with the round trigger guard. Not only did he shoot it well, he had made remarks about how the older ones seemed to have a reputation for higher quality steel, the mystique surrounding the gun originally, etc. I could tell he had done a little reading on it.
So I found him one made in 1989, a little worn on the finish, but after a good cleaning, slick and accurate as hell. Gave it to him in a wooden gift box with some Ray-Ban Aviators and a nice leather banded Seiko watch. He grinned so big I thought his ears would fall off!
turkeestalker
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.... and THAT is the ultimate payoff!
Hope mine does the same.
Being 22 I can imagine your son is/will be extremely pleased and surprised. He will have the memory forever and hopefully the pistol even longer. Pass it down to your grand kids. Me and my family have never had money. Everything I have now, I have earned. To me gifts mean a whole lot. And I value gifts more than I value things I bought myself with my hard earned money. If I got something like that for a present when 21 I would defecate a golden egg. But I was lucky. I got my first handgun when I was about 14. My mom and I had a very good trusting relationship and she knew I was responsible enough, and at that age then knew an unbelievable amount about guns. We went to the gun show and I picked out a cz52 made in 1954, she bought it for me and gave it to me at home. Loved that old gun
turkeestalker
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Moms tend to be pretty cool like that P71pilot, and yours sounds like she was uber-cool when you were 14!
One more question...
Might be a stupid one but I've never bought a Colt 1911 for myself, so I simply do not know.
I don't yet have the pistol in hand, and have been looking for wood grips with the silver medallion. This being a model # O1091, will grips stated as specifically fitting a series 70 pistol fit correctly?
One more question...
Might be a stupid one but I've never bought a Colt 1911 for myself, so I simply do not know.
I don't yet have the pistol in hand, and have been looking for wood grips with the silver medallion. This being a model # O1091, will grips stated as specifically fitting a series 70 pistol fit correctly?
bamaranger
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WOW
THAT is a heck of a birthday gift. My birthday is in April, would you like to adopt a fat, bald, retired, moody ex- public servant?
If it helps, I hunt turkeys too!
THAT is a heck of a birthday gift. My birthday is in April, would you like to adopt a fat, bald, retired, moody ex- public servant?
If it helps, I hunt turkeys too!
ANY grips made for a full size 1911 will fit. Just make sure you don't buy a pair that is inletted for an ambi safety on the right side. They will fit correctly, but you will have a small void cut at the inner top rear of the RH grip. It's not really that noticeable, but it's the idea.
