1903 ?
- Thread starter jmtbiggin
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So kraigwy, you would not allow my rifle to participate.Why? Would you allow rodfacs sprinfield 1389506 to participate? Why? Just from what I'm seeing and reading there are either alot of altered numbers or the serial numbers never had real consistancy. Not trying to nit pick. I understand saftey first. Just curious.
tahunua001
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I am also curous as to that myself. before your post there were several images that support the argument that this is a legitimate serial number and you would throw it out of a CMP match anyway. I have seen you make the same remark several times on other threads about the 1903 and it makes me wonder just what springfields you WOULD allow into a springfield match for the CMP?
apparently 1,000,000 and up serial numbers are not safe so apparently if it is not a 1903A3 then you are out of luck chuck at Kraigwy's CMP match.
apparently 1,000,000 and up serial numbers are not safe so apparently if it is not a 1903A3 then you are out of luck chuck at Kraigwy's CMP match.
I didn't make the rules. The CMP did, and for safety reasons.
However as a CMP GSM MI, I'm bound to follow their rules. It's not really hard to tell if a serial number has been modiified.
When in doubt, I error on the side of Safety.
I do take rifles to matches for those who don't have rifles and want to shoot a CMP Clinic/Match. Anyone is more then willing to shoot my rifles.
The rules weren't put in place to prevent people from shooting, they are there for safety issues.
CMP Competition Rules. 16th Edition -2012
However as a CMP GSM MI, I'm bound to follow their rules. It's not really hard to tell if a serial number has been modiified.
When in doubt, I error on the side of Safety.
I do take rifles to matches for those who don't have rifles and want to shoot a CMP Clinic/Match. Anyone is more then willing to shoot my rifles.
The rules weren't put in place to prevent people from shooting, they are there for safety issues.
CMP Competition Rules. 16th Edition -2012
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tahunua001
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I'm not arguing with the CMPs rules. I'm just saying that more than 1 person have come forward with documented sources to say that the OPs serial number is genuine and meets CMPs standards and you still say that you would not allow him to compete with it anyway.
No sir:
If there is documented evidence that the rifle is legal per CMP rules, the individual can use the gun.
The intent of the rules is not to prevent people from shooting, but to do so safely and within the spirit of the games.
Example: No glass bedding is allowed on the Garand Matches, upon inspection we find the rifle has in fact been glass bedded. Therefore it's not use.
This wasn't to keep the individual from shooting his Garand, its to make if fair to the other Garand shooter.
Several NM Garands are out there, and Garands chambered for the 308.
This wasn't a safety issue, but an issue just the same. So the CMP created a separate category, the Unlimited M1 Garand Rifles (Rule 6.4.1).
Also a lot of people showed up wanting to shoot AKs SKS, ARs, etc. A separate category was created for these rifles Modern Military Rifle (Rule 6.4.2)
Safety is a separate issue: The Chief Range Officer has the responsibility to make sure the matches are conducted in a safe manner, and has the authority to prohibit what he believes to be unsafe firearms and ammo.
Personally I have never barred a rifle for safety reasons, Ammo yes but not guns.
Ammo comes into play when we are dealing with re-loaded ammo that has not been sized properly. Not a problem for bolt guns but is a problem for gas guns. I carry case gages, and if I suspect ammo is not sized properly, I check it with the gage, if the ammo doesn't not fit the gage, that ammo is removed from the firing line. Again, ammo will be provided so that individual can shoot.
You guys are making it sound like my whole goal in live is ban people from shooting CMP Matches (I do the same thing in NRA High Power Matches).
That's not the case, I want to increase the participation in shooting sports, but I want it done safely. (As does the CMP and my Club's Insurance Provider).
If there is documented evidence that the rifle is legal per CMP rules, the individual can use the gun.
The intent of the rules is not to prevent people from shooting, but to do so safely and within the spirit of the games.
Example: No glass bedding is allowed on the Garand Matches, upon inspection we find the rifle has in fact been glass bedded. Therefore it's not use.
This wasn't to keep the individual from shooting his Garand, its to make if fair to the other Garand shooter.
Several NM Garands are out there, and Garands chambered for the 308.
This wasn't a safety issue, but an issue just the same. So the CMP created a separate category, the Unlimited M1 Garand Rifles (Rule 6.4.1).
Also a lot of people showed up wanting to shoot AKs SKS, ARs, etc. A separate category was created for these rifles Modern Military Rifle (Rule 6.4.2)
Safety is a separate issue: The Chief Range Officer has the responsibility to make sure the matches are conducted in a safe manner, and has the authority to prohibit what he believes to be unsafe firearms and ammo.
Personally I have never barred a rifle for safety reasons, Ammo yes but not guns.
Ammo comes into play when we are dealing with re-loaded ammo that has not been sized properly. Not a problem for bolt guns but is a problem for gas guns. I carry case gages, and if I suspect ammo is not sized properly, I check it with the gage, if the ammo doesn't not fit the gage, that ammo is removed from the firing line. Again, ammo will be provided so that individual can shoot.
You guys are making it sound like my whole goal in live is ban people from shooting CMP Matches (I do the same thing in NRA High Power Matches).
That's not the case, I want to increase the participation in shooting sports, but I want it done safely. (As does the CMP and my Club's Insurance Provider).
It was only double this AM. If I come back later and its quadruple...If the receiver is a late production receiver then it should be safe to shoot.
Just the alignment and odd depth of stamping makes the serial numbering look sloppy.
The oldest 03's had different lettering styles. Based on what others have posted, yours is consistant with an older lettering style.
Just the alignment and odd depth of stamping makes the serial numbering look sloppy.
The oldest 03's had different lettering styles. Based on what others have posted, yours is consistant with an older lettering style.
The OP's numbering is NOT consistant with the older lettering which has filigreed serifs on all numbers. That style was dropped sometime around the 300,000 range IIRC.
Looking at serial numbers online in the 500,000 range (which the OP's would be if it was faked) I'd almost go so far as to say the fonts are slightly different than the OP's and other examples in the 1,500,000s but I couldn't say for certain without seeing in person.
Looking at serial numbers online in the 500,000 range (which the OP's would be if it was faked) I'd almost go so far as to say the fonts are slightly different than the OP's and other examples in the 1,500,000s but I couldn't say for certain without seeing in person.