19-year old ADULTS can't own handguns!

FUD

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http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=276 ... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>This Is Julie
by Bill Kelly

Hi, c'mon in. I need to show you something.

This is Julie...... Yes, she is very pretty when she sleeps. Can you believe she worries about her weight? ..... I know. It's crazy.

Don't worry about making noise.

First, she sleeps like a log. Between being a full-time nursing student and working at a halfway home for people with disabilities, she stays very busy.

Secondly, if we could wake her now, maybe she could stop...

Well ..you'll see.

No, don't worry. I'm okay.

Well, you see. Right now, her phone line is being cut.

This trailer actually belongs to her brother-in-law. He lived here as a bachelor. When he married her older sister, they moved to an apartment.

They plan to build a house on this land someday, but .... well ... they might change their mind.

Yeah, the trailer is pretty old. Her brother-in-law couldn't have gotten enough to make it worth selling. It wouldn't have rented for enough to make it worth the hassle of dealing with renters.

When she finished her freshman year in the dorms, he offered it to her rent-free. Her dad built the deck in the back. He built it in sections back home and hauled it up here in his truck. He and her brother-in-law assembled it.

It works pretty well for her. She's about twenty minutes from campus and fifteen minutes from work. She never had the time, money, or inclination to >join a sorority. Even regular apartment life can have more distractions.

You heard that? Yeah, so did I. Julie did too.

See? She's stirring...opening her eyes.

The guy who cut her phone lines just broke in the back door. It really didn't make that much noise. The doors on these trailers aren't very solid. The one bad thing about the deck is that it gave him a little more solid footing when he did it.

He's walking into the living room pretty carefully. He's not really worried, he's just spent so much of his life sneaking around that he's always a little stealthy.

Yep, her eyes are wide open now. She's not certain whether she heard something or whether she just had a dream. Yeah, her teeth are chattering a little.

He sees the extension cord running from the socket to the lamp over her favorite chair. That's where she likes to sit when she reads. The lamp cord didn't reach any outlets from that corner. He's unplugging the lamp, but he decided just to jerk the cord from the wall.

Yep, she heard that. She's picking up the phone, but there's no dial tone. He already took care of that. She sits up in bed.

Unfortunately, her cell phone is in the kitchen with her purse. It might not matter.

The real phone would have instantly told the police where she was, and they could have been here in ten minutes. With the cell phone, she would have to give the address. Speaking clearly when you're this terrified isn't easy.

Maybe the police would get here and maybe they wouldn't.

She wishes she had listened to her father. He wanted her to bring a gun.

He taught her to shoot a couple of years ago, and she knows how to handle his old .38 pretty well. Still, she refused to bring a gun.

You see - Julie's only 19, and the federal government has now made it a crime for 19-year-olds to have a gun. No, she realizes that if she kept quiet >about it she'd probably never be caught or never prosecuted if she were caught. >However, she believes in obeying the law, and she doesn't want to take a chance >on having a criminal record.

The guy walking down her hall with a knife in one hand and the extension cord in the other is 19 also. He can't legally own a gun either, but that wouldn't stop him. The only reason he doesn't have a gun is that he doesn't >need one for what he has in mind.

According to our government, Julie can have a gun in two years.

Unfortunately, ..... no, I shouldn't say that. It isn't a matter of "fortune," "luck," "chance," or anything like that. This situation resulted from a deliberate decision by our government.

What I was going to say was that Julie doesn't have two years. She has about forty horrible minutes.[/quote]Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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Pretty grim. And the sad thing is that it won't matter to Julie whether this law is implemented under a Gore administration or a Bush administration. It will still be evil...
 
spooky...and it happens. Going out into my Email in 5 minutes. Even the gun-haters can't find a logical argument and who knows?

Might convert a few. Good post.
 
My standard answer:

"If 18-21 year olds got off thier asses, Pulled thier heads out of the TV, went out and F#$%^$ing VOTED. They could have guns, Drink and be treated like adults."
 
Received the following reply ... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I would be interested to know what federal law prohibits a person under 21 (as suggested in your post), from owning a handgun or any other firearm. The only law I know of is one that prohibits a minor from purchasing one. It does not prohibit the owning of one. If you can find that law please post the statute, I would like to have a look at it.[/quote]... Can anyone help me out here?
 
It took a war last time for those 18 to 21 to get fed up enough to force the issue. I was fortunate enough to have benefited from their activism. And I remember it every time I vote. I was an adult at 18 I could legally drink, sign contracts and get drafted (as for hand gun purchases I don't remember seeing as my first was just a few years ago). Now in the interest of "safety" the law has changed and the Federal Government through highway funds blackmail has forced all of the states to raise the drinking age back to 21. However, if someone commits a crime that meets varying criteria they can be "tried as an adult". I get so tired of constantly running into double standards.
 
Fud: As far as I know, no federal law prohibits a 19 year old from owning a handgun NOW. Bush, however, has promised to change that. :mad:

And he's our friend, we're being told. Glad he isn't our "enemy"!

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FUD,
With a slight rewrite, this copy would make a great narrative for a POWERFUL TV Commercial! May actually wake up a few sheeple. This is the type of commercials the NRA should be producing, not the "Clinton lied" crap.

If we have learned only one thing from the antis, it's that emotion is a powerful tool. We should be using the basic human emotions of self preservation, and protection of those we love, to portray gun truths to the masses. Even the soccer Moms could see THEIR daughter in that trailer.

Great post, and very moving.
 
Originally posted by FUD:
Received the following reply ...
I would be interested to know what federal law prohibits a person under 21 (as suggested in your post), from owning a handgun or any other firearm.

Here in Indiana, you must be 21 to purchase but only 18 to carry.
 
My two-month old daughter owns two hand guns and a rifle.

She better get herself a goooood lawyer.

Rick

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"Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American." Tench Coxe 2/20/1788
 
Reads like a pretty good COA ad. Chilling to the bone.

As posted well already, at 18, you can vote, "show the flag," be tried as an adult, on & on, but not purchase a handgun & in many states/locales, they are attempting to limit long gun purchases too to 21+

Ya know?, I was 7 yrs old in '59 & was hunting all by my lonesome with a .22LR rifle. Took me all of till 11 to be trusted by Dad with a .243 Win

Bang! All of a sudden it's '68 & I can't buy ANY ammo till I turn 18. & whoosh! I'm 18 & I am allowed to buy shotgun/high power rifle ammo - 'cause that's OK (it doesn't fit into a handgun & you really can't hurt anybody with a 12 ga anyway). Still, every ammo transaction requires a photo ID & the records (all those records) .... I'm still 3 years away from being able to purchase .22 LR ammo that I used so safely 9 years earlier.

I could go to The 'Nam & die but couldn't buy .22LR ammo ..... :mad!

& they wonder where the hell "extremeists" come from ....

BTW, great post ....
 
I'm personally a big advocate of licenses for handguns to people between the ages of 18-25, simply because they are not generally a very responsible age group. I'm not sure if that's the actual answer of not, but it's an idea at least, I'd certainly like to hear better ideas.

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Dangus: Of course, by advocating licenses, you've just totally abandoned the one principled legal argument we've got: That gun ownership is a CIVIL RIGHT. Government can't require a license to exercise a civil right, after all.

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Folks,

I think Dangus is kidding. No one in their right mind would think something like this should be enacted. Right Dangus? Tell 'em!

Joel Harmon
 
18yo may be in the army and carry an M60 to kill enemy and break things. They can't carry a pistol to defend themselves otherwise...hmmm, not logical or fair.
 
Dangus (since you don't appear to be kidding...) -

I'm 22 years old this past month. I've been an avid shooter for the past, oh, ten years. I've been, at various times, an NRA certified handgun and rifle instructor, a competitor in rifle, handgun, and skeet events, a range safety officer at the oldest active skeet club on the east coast, and a fairly talented amateur gunsmith.

In the non-shooting realm, I've been active in the RKBA movement since high school. I'm an NRA and JPFO member. I've taken antis to the range, and debated them both face-to-face and online. I do instruction and RO work for my college pistol team. If you happened to attend the SAS-AIM March on the Mall in D.C., then you may have seen me there. I was wearing a white polo shirt and carrying a red-and-black courier's bag.

In short, I'm as qualified as ANYONE on this board to own the firearm of my choice. I dare say that, at 22, I'm more qualified to own a gun than many forty-somethings. And if you, or anyone else, wants me to license my civil right, then you can take that license, fold it until it is all corners, and place it in your oubliette.

(With thanks to R.A.H. for that classic line...)

Later,
Chris

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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box

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Well I'm 19 here in Washington state and the laws here say that I can't buy a pistol from a dealer however I can buy a pistol in a private sale. he law also says that I can't get a CCW until I am 21, but I can have it in my truck as long as it is in a lockable box. I also can carry it concealed at work, home, up in the woods, or any where I don't think I will get caught (kidding on the last one).

Any one in Tacoma want to sell a Sig pro in 40 cal.

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Since, I've worked with this age group for most of my employed life, I'm honestly mixed on this. I understand the issue but I certainly see lots of immature and dangerous behavior from that group. That is not to say
that older folks aren't idiots also.

I might go for 18-21 if you are financially emancipated and living on your own. NOT in a dorm or still going to college. Do the NICS checks include juvenile offenses?

Well, it should for this age group getting handguns.

Flame, me but some kid who is still living at home or at college and hasn't made a living needs a little more.

Or maybe if this age group past something like the TX CHL course.

This is a borderline issue for me given the vast number of kids I've seen.

Sue me.
 
I agree, Glenn. In my state, we don't have a gun problem. Our problem is teenaged drinking and driving. This is the same age group that would probably like to have a handgun at this age. They may purchase a shotgun or a rifle and carry it or use it for home defense. (18+ that is) If "Julie" had wanted a gun for home defense like the story said she didn't, she could have had a shotgun next to her bed and solved the problem very quickly. Think of how many 16 year olds get their driver's lisence before they were mature enough to really have one? How many people are hurt (physically or financially) because they should not have been weilding a 5 ton beast yet? I guess it may be easy for me to say in some ways. I am 24 and my girlfriend is 19. When I am out late and she is home alone, she has a choice of any of my firearms to defend herself with in my home. As the legal buyer, I am assuming the responsibility and I personally made sure she knew how to operate any of my guns she might use. I think starting teens out with long guns will help them handle a handgun better later.
 
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