madcratebuilder
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Colt Haggen said:Don't want a lemon just a challenge.
What, did you buy a new sledge hammer?
1851 Navy
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What, did you buy a new sledge hammer?
Well I use the word...
...."pattern". An 1851 Navy pattern can have a brass frame or can be .44 in caliber but it has an octagon barrel all the way to the muzzle. I think this is the way the marketers see it.
If it has a barrel that starts as an 1851 but is turned on the muzzle end, I call it a dragoon barrel. G&G, L&R, or the various Colts with that style barrel.
Hawg is right.... I am very well aware that he is at, or at least near the top of the historians in the group and hence, to him an 1851 Navy is one and only one thing.
...."pattern". An 1851 Navy pattern can have a brass frame or can be .44 in caliber but it has an octagon barrel all the way to the muzzle. I think this is the way the marketers see it.
If it has a barrel that starts as an 1851 but is turned on the muzzle end, I call it a dragoon barrel. G&G, L&R, or the various Colts with that style barrel.
Hawg is right.... I am very well aware that he is at, or at least near the top of the historians in the group and hence, to him an 1851 Navy is one and only one thing.
Anyone that has been on this forum for even a little while, should know that Hawg goes for the "authentic" copies. None of the ".44cal, brass frame navy" stuff. Hope you're happy with the navy Hawg. I have two Uberti 51s and a 61, and I think they are the best balanced revolvers I own.
Fingers McGee
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Doc Hoy said:
+1 Doc. For a non-authentic reproduction of a Colt, I usually refer to them as Colt style. I like your "pattern" description better. I've also taken to calling the .44 Cal revolvers with octagonal barrels "1851 Armies" - that either you or MCB coined IINM - or was it Dr. Davis? This CRS, like growing older, aint for sissies.
Be sure to let us know how your new Navy is Hawg.
maillemaker
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That must mean it's brass framed in .44 cal.
Steve
I have one of the Brasser .44's and I always say it's a non-authentic .44 Colt 1851 copy. I try to distinguish the fact it's not correct, just fun!
Col. Cooper ran tests on the .36 and determined it is a better man stopper than paper indicates? The .38 Special has the same problem, it works better than it should!!! Good to hear because I carry a .38 as a pocket gun and a .357 on the trail and in the woods.
The lowly .36 was the chosen caliber for Mr Hickock and that alone says a LOT for it. Even after the self-contained cartrige came about, he still carried a pair of Navys!
I hope I never have to find out how good a man-stopper any gun is, but it's comforting to know that some DO work...
I think in the "Old Days" I might have chosen a Navy model.
ZVP
Col. Cooper ran tests on the .36 and determined it is a better man stopper than paper indicates? The .38 Special has the same problem, it works better than it should!!! Good to hear because I carry a .38 as a pocket gun and a .357 on the trail and in the woods.
The lowly .36 was the chosen caliber for Mr Hickock and that alone says a LOT for it. Even after the self-contained cartrige came about, he still carried a pair of Navys!
I hope I never have to find out how good a man-stopper any gun is, but it's comforting to know that some DO work...
I think in the "Old Days" I might have chosen a Navy model.
ZVP
Ok here tis and this is by far the worst Pietta I've ever seen.
The wedge popped right out with a tap from a plastic screwdriver handle and right back in the same way. Getting the barrel off the pins was another story. It took quite a bit of tapping on the loading lever to get it off. Once it cleared the pins it slipped right off and went back on with a light bump with the heel of my hand. The arbor hole is perfectly drilled. With the cylinder off and the barrel turned to the side it lines up perfectly with the frame when the arbor is bottomed out in the hole. The front sight is level and straight.
Timing is almost perfect with the bolt dropping into the lead in like it's supposed to. The only flaw here is the hammer goes to full cock just a tad after the bolt locks. If you cock it normally it isn't noticed.
Wood to metal fit is very good around the grip frame with just a little proud wood where it meets the frame. That's just Pietta with their fat grips tho.
Now for the bad. The joint between the barrel and frame on the right side is perfect. The left side has a ridge that will catch a thumbnail.
There is also a very slight nick on the barrel lug in front of the cylinder. I didn't get a pic but it's very tiny. This isn't the quality I'm used to seeing from Pietta but for the money it's still a very good deal. I'm very pleased with it
Oh and ignore all the little particles covering it. I took pics next to my dremel drill press and forgot to clean up the sawdust.
I haven't checked the barrel/cylinder gap but it looks pretty tight. That may be a problem but my 60 had a .004 gap and wasn't too bad.
The wedge popped right out with a tap from a plastic screwdriver handle and right back in the same way. Getting the barrel off the pins was another story. It took quite a bit of tapping on the loading lever to get it off. Once it cleared the pins it slipped right off and went back on with a light bump with the heel of my hand. The arbor hole is perfectly drilled. With the cylinder off and the barrel turned to the side it lines up perfectly with the frame when the arbor is bottomed out in the hole. The front sight is level and straight.
Timing is almost perfect with the bolt dropping into the lead in like it's supposed to. The only flaw here is the hammer goes to full cock just a tad after the bolt locks. If you cock it normally it isn't noticed.
Wood to metal fit is very good around the grip frame with just a little proud wood where it meets the frame. That's just Pietta with their fat grips tho.
Now for the bad. The joint between the barrel and frame on the right side is perfect. The left side has a ridge that will catch a thumbnail.
There is also a very slight nick on the barrel lug in front of the cylinder. I didn't get a pic but it's very tiny. This isn't the quality I'm used to seeing from Pietta but for the money it's still a very good deal. I'm very pleased with it
Oh and ignore all the little particles covering it. I took pics next to my dremel drill press and forgot to clean up the sawdust.
I haven't checked the barrel/cylinder gap but it looks pretty tight. That may be a problem but my 60 had a .004 gap and wasn't too bad.
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