14" Norinco HP9-1 range report

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14" Norinco HP9-1 (870 copy) range report

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Our Canadian gun laws suck :barf: . The only good thing is that we can own short barrel shotguns.

I got to the range with my new Norinco 14" HP9-1.

I was mainly concerned with testing it's feed and extraction prior to installing the aftermarket parts I've bought for it (gotta love that Marstar guarantee).

I fired 125 rounds of birdshot, 20 slugs and 20 rounds of buck shot.

It performed flawlessly. No feed or extraction problems.

There were a couple of kids (12 year olds) there with their Dads who graciously burned off about 100 rounds of the birdshot for me (saved my shoulder )

The action is not silky smooth but it should smooth out with more use. None of the kids appeared to short stroke it though a couple of times they had to struggle with pulling back on the forend. I had no problems with working the action quickly.

The recoil, even with 1 oz slugs and Win Supreme 2 3/4" OO buck was very manageable, even during rapid fire (3 slugs, 2.8 seconds). None of the kids had any problems with the recoil with birdshot. Most of them were hitting hand thrown clays on a regular basis.

One of the boys looked at his Dad and said "I'm going to buy one of these!". :D

The muzzle flash with the slugs was visible but the muzzle blast wasn't bad. A couple of guys came out to see what I was shooting so it must have been loud.

I had read about the bead being lost during firing. I checked it before we started shooting. It was tight and the stem did not extend into the barrel. The bead stayed put during this brief session. Wilson Trac Locs will be installed next.

I shot a standing, freehand 3.5", 5 shot group at 25 yards. I wasn't really trying for accuracy and rattled the string off fairly quickly.

Overall, a fine little shotgun and worth every penny of the $390 (taxes and shipping included). Very handy to shoot and maneuver in tight spots. Once the ghost ring sights are installed, I'll try to shoot some real groups with it.
 
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Yes it is an 870 clone. It will accept all 870 parts and accessories.

They are very popular in Canada as a bush/truck gun.
 
I do so wish I could have my 870 shortened to 14" (without the $220 tax stamp). That would take it to a new level as far as Home Defense is concerned. 18.5" is longer than it sounds when you are trying to manuver around in an apartment/small house.
 
How does the price compare to an actual Remington?
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It was a little cheaper ($349 for the Norinco versus $390 for a Remington)than an 870 Express with an 18.5" barrel. But a 14" 870 barrel from Dlask costs around $300. 870's with 14" factory barrels are rare and cost more than $800 (in order to own a barrel shorter than 18.5", the barrel must be factory manufactured ie. it is illegal for me to shorten an 18.5" barrel to 14" - Canadian gun laws are irrational).

Many reviews of both shotguns indicated that their quality was equal or that the Norinco was a little better than an Express in terms of finish. By buying the Norinco, I was able to get the short barrel plus a metal alloy trigger.

just being an arragont A-hole, but it's still a Norinco.
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I'm not a brand snob. As long as it is 100% reliable, I'll use it.

BTW, check where your TV, PC, cell phone etc were made. Chances are it'll be China.
 
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All parts are not interchangable. I hope you are happy with your chinese gun. I will never buy one as the Rem, Mossburg guns are close in price and are much better guns made in the US.
 
will never buy one as the Rem, Mossburg guns are close in price and are much better guns made in the US.
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As I explained above, in Canada with a 14" barrel, the 870 is much more expensive than the Norinco.

I have installed Wilson parts and they fit perfectly onto the Norinco. I have been told by my gunsmith that Remington spares, when they are needed, will fit as well.

As for better made, I have compared the Norinco side by side with an Express and the quality is the same.

Norinco 1911 pistols are very popular here in Canada as they are available to us. Their quality is excellent.

I agree that the quality of other Norinco products (such as their woodsman copy) is hit or miss (based on my experiences with these guns). But IMHO, the quality of their 1911 and 870 copies is excellent.

If you disagree with the politics of the PRC, that is another matter.

Whatever floats your boat!
 
I just find it unethical to buy a gun from a country that completely bans its citizens from owning anything resembling guns but will sell anything to the west to accumulate foreign currency, just because they can do it cheaper doesn't make them worth buying.

But you Canadians are getting so socialist, treasure your Norincos before your government bans them after the model set by Chairman Mao.

I'm not against buying foreignp products, heck the frameso f my Springfields were made in Brazil by Imbel. But unlike the pRC< the average law-abiding Brazillian can go into their local gunshop and buy an Imbel nearly identical to my 1911s. That cannot be further from the PRC.

I like how you put in the first post: (870 copy)

I think that pretty much says it all.
 
I just find it unethical to buy a gun from a country that completely bans its citizens from owning anything resembling guns but will sell anything to the west to accumulate foreign currency, just because they can do it cheaper doesn't make them worth buying.
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Yet you own an Italian made Beretta .32 ACP defense pistol. Italy is not a country which freely allows its citizens access to pistols like you have bought.

The Italian system is similar to what Sarah Brady has announced as her preferred American policy: "needs-based" licensing. A citizen must apply for a permit from the local prefect (for handguns) or to the chief of police (for long guns), and the official then decides whether he thinks the applicant "needs" the gun. Gun-carrying permits are very difficult to obtain; only 44,000 Italians are legally allowed to carry arms for personal defense.

Source: http://www.davekopel.com/NRO/2002/Getting-with-It.htm
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Italy -- There are limits on the number of firearms and the quantity of ammunition a person may own. To be issued a permit to carry a firearm, a person must prove an established need, such as a dangerous occupation. Firearms which use the same ammunition as firearms used by the military -- which in America would include countless millions of rifles, shotguns, and handguns -- and ammunition for them are prohibited. Yet, "Italy`s gun law, `the most restrictive in Europe,` had left her southern provinces alone with a thousand firearm murders a year, thirty times Switzerland`s total." (Richard A. I. Munday, Most Armed & Most Free?, Brightlingsea, Essex: Piedmont Publishing, 1996.)

Source: http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=78
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But you Canadians are getting so socialist, treasure your Norincos before your government bans them after the model set by Chairman Mao.
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Our current Conservative government is trying to claw back some of our rights but it will need a majority government to do the job. Many of "us" Canadians hate the socialist path our previous Liberal government was leading us down. And if i'm not mistaken, I believe that your government has already banned the importation of many Norincos "after the model set by Chairman Mao".

I think that pretty much says it all.
 
my Beretta was made in Maryland. Come to think of it it's amazing since We can actually buy Beretta 3032s, which I believe is illegal in Canada due to its barrel length being under the legal minimum.

And get this, we can buy the whole line of PARA ORDINANCE here. Imagine that...

Enjoy your commie gun with 4 inches of barrel hacked off. Somewhere the PLA is using your money to arm North Koreans.
 
my Beretta was made in Maryland
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My apologies.

BTW I will enjoy my "Commie" gun.

Somewhere the PLA is using your money to arm North Koreans.
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Or maybe the PRC is using my $349 to buy more US debt.

The PRC is the second largest holder of US debt instruments after Japan. Enjoy your standard of living that is being partially financed by the PRC. In a way, I am helping the PRC to finance the USA.

The country holding by far the most U.S. debt is Japan which held $644.2 billion at the end of August 2006. In recent years the People's Republic of China has also become a holder of over $1 trillion in total foreign reserves, of which about $339 billion are U.S. Treasury securities.
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Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt
 
I prefer semi-auto shotguns, but that is a sweet blaster
you have there it looks very handy. Thanks for posting :cool:
 
I think its silly to get angry over what a guns country of origin is. If you can save a little money by buying a chinese gun that works well for you, then do so! Given a choice between the two, I'd be tempted to take the norinco too, given Remington's reputation and history.

For us Americans, it would probably be best in the long run for us to buy products made in the USA. But face it... Alot of us CANT AFFORD some of the products made in the USA. For some people that extra $50 in price is a big deal.

Personally, I feel that you shouldnt critisize others for buying a foreign made product unless you yourself use absoulutely no foreign made goods.
 
You can crap on China all you want, but belay crapping on Canada. Why crap on your oldest friend and ally and/or our system of government? This was a post about a shottie. Not your thing, then STFU and move on!

Considering the crazy dollars your fellow Americans are paying for 20 year-old Polytech and Norinco M-14S, obviously not all Americans share your disdain!...and this was when Polytech & Norinco M-14s weren't that good! Today, we enjoy the right and privilege to purchase forged Norinco M-14S that are superior in quality to Springfield Armory M1A...I know because I own both.

The Norinco is built to actual mil-spec, while the cast receiver on my SA INC isn't! My ARMS 18 & SE picatinny scope mounts fit perfectly on all 4 of my Norinco M-14S, while I had to take a dremel to the ARMS 18 mount I have on the SA INC. The SA also had major feeding problems, which required two trips back to the factory. Accuracy has only been mediocre at best from it.

The Norinco M-14S I own, however, are all consistently more accurate that the US made product. I'm not crapping on America, however, since I've built up several of my Norinco's with all USGI TRW parts, from bolt and op-rod, to NM Flash Hider & trigger. They're match quality rifles, but even with the Douglas & TRW barrels, they barely edge out the stock, chrome-lined Norinco barrels. With taxes & shipping, the Springfield was well over two grand Canadian...the Norinco's were $399.00 CDN plus tax and shipping. Even with the cost of USGI parts, I'm still coming out of it with a much better rifle than the SA INC.
 
Here are some photos with the Wilson TracLoc sights, Insight M3 mount, a TLR-1 light and a Modified WinChoke mounted flush with the end of the barrel.

Winchester 2 3/4" OO buffered buckshot at 7 yards opens up to a 5" group.

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