10mm v. 40 Super v. 400 Corbon

And where is that 45 Super or .40 Super gun? Non-existent!
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You may try looking here for a Factory 40 Super gun

STI Trojan

and here for a .450 SMC gun

STI Xcaliber

This company also produces a factory gun that will handle the .450

Springfield V16

These only represent what, I guess, you consider “Factory” guns and does not mention the numerous “Custom Shops” that will produce/modify firearms for the .40 Super and 450 SMC. We are in discussions with other manufacturers to produce “Factory” guns for the .40 Super.
 
CastleBravo:

You are without a doubt, a serious 10mm shooter. I think many of us remember the big smile on your face when you got that Colt Delta Elite in 10mm just several months ago. It is working for you. But after shooting 1911s in all kinds of configurations to enter the 1911 world, I think they got it right with the original cartridge - big and slow - 45 ACP.

Call Glock or EAA and ask them about these 45 ACP to 10mm conversions. Glock really doesn't like them especially the Supers. They have asked me why when you can just go 10mm. One of the tech told me, hell just get a Ruger Redhawk and stop calling me!

Shooting higher pressure rounds from a 45 ACP based system requires more than just a barrel, recoil spring swap. I'm waiting for Texas Ammo kabooms to start showing up. I can only recommend those conversions with a slide swap as well. And with that additional cost, a new gun is in order.

While 10mm isn't 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06 or 308, you can humanely and effectively take down a deer or an under 160 pound hog with shot inside 50 yards. And in the Northwest, that's all many of us need with the dense forests and cover. And if not, then my Redhawk in 44 mag and some 300 grainers come out for all of the above plus Mr. Elk.

Absolom: I have three very good friends who own gunshops and we share our toys. One of my FFL friends has about 15 barrels from BarSto, Federal Arms, Olympic Arms, and KKM. And most of them sit in his safe for months. Nice to have if you can afford them, but many us REALLY don't shoot them once we've got them. Kind of like all of the health club memberships sold in January. By March, the gym is empty again.

If shot the 400 Corbon and 40Super several times from a guy whose reloading I trust. Me. I took their dies and did it myself. Not impressed. And I shot several 40SW 1911s. Not impressed.

I can load some 45 ACP rounds that feel like 9mm with some 200 SWCs and Unique, Clays, or TiteGroup powder and get a bigger bullet moving plenty fast to knock down plates, poppers, or make big clean holes. All I need is a lighter recoil spring or a pair of wire clippers and a spare recoil spring.

Customizing guns is fun BUT but Porsches were made to PUNCH IT. They're not old lady cars. Period. Go with the gun designer's vision and don't mess with it too much!

Just my two cents, well my dime. . . .
 
Dan:

400 Corbon has a niche application. Maybe cougar or smaller hunting.

But it's already dead on the vine.

Again, if the gun heavies don't make a gun for that round, it's gone. No market, no sales, extinction.
 
CReynolds mentioned 9mm, 357 sig, 40SW, and 45 ACP and referenced a 1911 platform.

Well, CReynolds, you can easily run those puppies in a Glock 20 or G21 platform. With the polymer and the double stack width, recoil is not an issue unless you're a shooting newbie.

And if not Glock, look at EAA witness line. But you don't need a 1911 to play with those Supers.

triton ammo: Who are you Mr. I just registered to post a PUTT? Credibility comes with identification and demonstrated expertise and longevity on this board. Who have you been posting under previously?

STI is a large custom shop specializing is race and competition guns. They are NOT a major manufacturer - a specialty shop just like Dan Wesson et al. I went to their website and sure looks like a custom shop to me. Why else would you have a webpage called COMPLETE GUNS? Same kind of feel to Texas Ammo's website.

And Springfield has lost so much market share in the 1911 business that I can recommend their rifles ONLY.

Want a good 1911 platform right out the box, well the salty ole gun shop employees came up with this 1911 list:

Kimber, Colt, or ParaOrdance (sp?) in a double stack configuration with perhaps a polymer frame to help with the additional recoil for the Supers. Springfield appeared to tie with a couple manufacturers in the number three spot.

The Supers do snap more than the big and steady thump of a 45 ACP round in a 1911 platform.

And I would stay away from Springfield. Look at that POS XD HS2000 knockoff thy are trying to peddle? Take a $300 HS2000 Croatian-made and badge your name on the polymer frame and then charge another $100? Unethical practice and I'd stay away from them for that alone.

Again, go 10mm or don't go at all. Or you can always pick up a 400 Corbon or 40Super barrel cheap off of the Accessories for sale forum. Again, people buy them then tend to dump them after a year or so for lack of using them.

The only conversions that people really use are the Glock and 1911 conversions to .22lr by Advantage Arms and I'll mention Cienier even though he's out in the Glock circles. And the AR-15 conversions. People do shoot those a lot.

Super conversions are cute gee-whiz gadgets but unnecessary. Add a couple hundred to the gun budget and buy a dedicated platform!

Signed,

Mr. Heavily Opinionated
 
CastleBravo:

Dan Burns is just a stone throw aways from my house. He does excellent work and his 1911s are worth evey penny.

But simple physics hold that heavier masses move slower against force. Thus your heavier slide on your Colt Delta Eltie is the best way to slow frame and shooter battering combined with a heavier recoil spring to absorb recoil.

And given the increased risk of kaboom with the wildcats, 40SW included, I want a heavier and thicker slide to fortify my gun and protect my hand.

I'd shoot your CDE, but I've seen a ParaOrdnance 40SW kaboom two stalls down a couple weeks ago. Not a pretty sight. Fast powder and big bullet. No thanks.

Dan is a one man shop PERIOD. But the law of physics and reloading safety cannot be discarded just because you can make it fit.
 
And Springfield has lost so much market share in the 1911 business that I can recommend their rifles ONLY.
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Signed,

Mr. Heavily Opinionated
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Not only heavily-opinionated, but not-too-well-informed, either.

I'd wager that Springfield 1911's outsell Colt and ParaOrd, combined. ;)
 
triton ammo: Who are you Mr. I just registered to post a PUTT? Credibility comes with identification and demonstrated expertise and longevity on this board. Who have you been posting under previously?
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Mr. Duncan

Oh, I'm sorry... I took it for granted that you knew Triton is under new ownership. Along with new ownership also came a Corporate name change. With the name change we registered under Triton Ammunition (not only on TFL but numerous other boards also)

Though we don’t post all that often if you do a search by user name “TritonCartridge” you will see that we’ve been registered for sometime. Hopefully, this will meet your requirements for credibility.
 
Cough up the money Tamara!

Maybe the shooters in Tennessee like Springfield but around here, only their rifles are coveted.

In Washington State's two largest gunshops and ranges, WSI and Wade's in Bellevue, the Kimbers and the Para's are the top sellers.

For every 10 Kimbers, they may sell one Springfield.

I asked the owners and their staff. ;)
 
Dan C. Johnson:

You are correct, I am thinking about purchasing a 220 and wanted to know what people thought about the 40 supers. I like the 45 and am thinking of transitioning to carry of that round. Prior to doing that, and spending a lot of dough purchasing the firearm, hoslter, mag pouch, extra mags and such, I wanted to get opinions on the 10mm and the 40 supers. I was never a real big fan of the 1911 until I recently shot my friend's Colt Officers. real nice gun, shot well, very accurate and recoil was controllable. But I have been intrigued by the 10mm for some time. I think this weekend I will look for one at a range to shoot.

Coley
 
jtduncan,
Glocks position on the 400 Corbon may not be entirely truthfull. When Corbon first came up with the round, Glock was all hot and bothered to chamber it and call it the 400 Glock. IIRC, a mild pissing match ensued between the two companys over licensing/royalties and the whole deal was dropped.
 
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