'08?

This is a two-party system. Third parties go no where. The successful ones are personality driven
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Do you posess the constitution to change that?

With the D & R '08 potentials, RKBA is just plain hosed. We may as well start making the 3rd party a viable option. If you want to see any anti-gun or other anti-freedom legislation repealed, you'd better start voting Libertrian/Constitution party. The two mainstream parties have a common goal and are not about to start giving back our liberties that were so handily taken the last few years.
 
If you want to see any anti-gun or other anti-freedom legislation repealed, you'd better start voting Libertrian/Constitution party
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I am sorry, but those parties won't win. They will simply drain RKBA influence from the Republicans. The Republicans can win, and they have been largely friendly to RKBA. The Democrats, emboldened by a Hillary win WILL push an anti-gun agenda. It is as simple as that.

Again, it is easy to say what people want to hear when you know you party will never be elected.

You have to work in the real world. The reality is, the American political system is now structurally a two party system. Your energy would be better spent on real parties. There is a large libertarian presence in the Republican party. Libertarians should use their numbers in Republican primaries where their numbers might be sufficient to sway candidate selection.
 
Then your vote is for Hillary.
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Oh, come on. I expected to see bullpucky like that on boards populated by numbskulls who think that spouting partyline talking points is an exercise in critical thinking, but not here or from you.
 
Oh, come on. I expected to see bullpucky like that on boards populated by numbskulls who think that spouting partyline talking points is an exercise in critical thinking, but not here or from you.
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Well get used to it. After the whooping my crew took yesterday, my skull is particularly numb.:D
 
mmmmm....prozac.
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There is a large libertarian presence in the Republican party.
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Show me one.

You are talking to a guy who kept a 6' plywood GOP Elephant in his front yard for years. The party sold us out. They are damn near all RINO's. True conservatives went the way of true democrats. Honestly, I believe the two parties work in turns to herd the population. Don't you find it kinda funny how GWB and our neo-con legislature stacked the cards in such away that gov't can violate any persons constitutional rights so long as they are able to label that person a terrorist or nat'l security risk? The GOP laid the ground work for the worst gun grab in history. Now all that needs to be done is a little finaggling of the definitions.

Two parties, one goal.
 
Here's a thought: Instead of bashing each other over the head and talking about which third party to join, why not roll your sleeves up and get involved in fixing the Republican party? There are many in Washington who are just as angered about this betrayal and it's aftermath as you are. They could use your help.
 
The way it's looking, perhaps I'll just write in Samuel L Jackson as my nomination for the first black president...

President Jackson: [holding AK-47] AK-47. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every *BLEEEEEEP* congressman in the room, accept no substitutes.
Speaker Pelosi: Does this mean you're not going to sign our new assault weapons ban?
President Jackson: What does the Constitution look like?
Speaker Pelosi: What?
President Jackson: What country you from?
Speaker Pelosi: What?
President Jackson: What ain't no country I ever heard of! They speak English in What?
Speaker Pelosi: What?
President Jackson: ENGLISH, *BLEEEEEEP*! DO-YOU-SPEAK-IT?
Speaker Pelosi: Yes!
President Jackson: Then you know what I'm saying!
Speaker Pelosi: Yes!
President Jackson: Describe what the Constitution looks like!
Speaker Pelosi: What, I-?
President Jackson: [pointing his gun] Say what again. SAY WHAT AGAIN. I dare you, I double dare you, *BLEEEEEEP*. Say what one more goddamn time.
Speaker Pelosi: It's o-o-old...
President Jackson: Go on.
Speaker Pelosi: It's got words...
President Jackson: Does it look like a *BLEEP*?
Speaker Pelosi: What?
[President Jackson shoots Speaker Pelosi in shoulder]
President Jackson: DOES IT LOOK LIKE A *BLEEP*?
Speaker Pelosi: No!
President Jackson: Then why you try to *BLEEP* it like a *BLEEP*, Speaker Pelosi?
Speaker Pelosi: I didn't.
President Jackson: Yes you did. Yes you did, Speaker Pelosi. You tried to *BLEEP* it. And the Constitution don't like to be *BLEEEEP* by anybody.

Seriously, though, there's been talk of Bloomberg going for president and I would consider that 100 times worse for the RKBA than even Clinton. If '08 came down between them than it's pretty much all over.
 
Who can the Republicans run that won't have their campaign destroyed by a few quotes and photos with Dubya? That's a darn sparse list. McCain: tainted. Giuliani: Tainted. Bill Frist: Tainted. Rick Santorum: Delusional and tainted.

I'll tell ya who to run: Rep. Ron Paul (TX). If you expect to have a prayer at getting somebody into the oval office in '08, it better be someone who opposed the Bush administration while supporting Conservative goals.
 
Slash, Ron Paul is talking about running for Prez in '08. I think he could count on at least 80,000,000 votes if we could get the word out.

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Who can the Republicans run that won't have their campaign destroyed by a few quotes and photos with Dubya?
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Tom Tancredo. One of the last good ones; a real conservative. Oh yeah, very pro-RKBA too.

If he by some miracle got onto the '08 ticket, I'd happily vote R. But as it looks right now, it won't matter which of the two major parties controls the executive branch. Conservatives and gun owners are hosed either way.
 
Totally absurd. A Hillary Clinton administration would be 1000 times worse than even a McCain administration. There are good pro-gun choices on either side. For example, I believe Bill Richardson is a pretty pro-gun Dem.

This whole "they are all the same" stuff is simply not backed up by reality. Under Bush nearly every piece of Clinton's anti-gun legacy is gone. Hillary, with the help of a Dem Congress, could have a new AWB or worse enacted in their first 100 days.
 
Under Bush nearly every piece of Clinton's anti-gun legacy is gone.
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:rolleyes:

Other than allowing the expiration of the AWB (W did nothing, big surpirse there), what did he do for us? Seems to me all the other laws that had no sunset clause are still alive and well. I don't see striker 12's on gunshop racks. Far as I know, all the provisions of 922 are still applicable.

I'll remind you that I voted for him-twice. Hence I am allowed to gripe about his poor performance. Not saying the demonrats were a feasible option, but Bush has been a disappointment, to put it mildly.
 
Well, for me, the expiration of the AWB was a very big deal. On this very forum I remember a lot of all-or-nothing extremists talking about how the Repubs would sell them out and Bush would sign the AWB, etc. Did not happen. What did the Republicans get in return? A silly short-sighted tantrum that will hurt gun rights in a way that probably won't be fixable.
 
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