03A3, original or sporterize

Pettitbuilt

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My father-in-law gifted my a Remington 03A3 that he picked up years ago from a guy who brought it back from the war allegedly still in the crate. I was looking for a do all 30-06 and figured I could upgrade it to fit my needs as guys have been doing with those things for years. But as I've been looking it over and reading up on it a bit I'm having second thoughts. It is a 3,xxx,xxx serial number with a date of 3/43 stamped on the barrel. Someone removed the hand guards and trimmed the forestock but the rest is in excellent original condition. 4 groove barrel that looks great, original peep sights no scope, apears to have correct trigger guard and floor plate. So would I be better off putting a full stock back on it and leaving it alone vs. sporterizing it further and ruining any value it may have? Or does it even have any value at this point?
 
I would put it back into USGI configuration. There are new old stock A3 hand guards available. And you can find original uncut stocks.

There are modern 30-06 rifles from several makers which are cheap and will be more accurate than a 1903A3.
 
Welcome to the forum!

Another vote for keeping it original. If you just NEED to shoot a '03,
go buy one that's already been sporterized. They can be had for
$150 if you look around a bit---and yes, that's what yours might be worth
if you "upgrade it to fit your needs".

If you are in the market for a 30-06 (GREAT caliber) take a look at
Savage, Ruger, Mossberg. They all offer good solid rifles for
not much money.
 
If it isn't already a sporter leave it original. #1 reason is you can buy a complete new hunting rifle and scope it for less money than you can set up your 03A3 for hunting. I love old military sporter rifles and buy them when I find an interesting one, but I'd never sporterize an original one.
 
I have an 03 that has had the original stock removed and bubba drilled and tapped receiver for Lyman peeps.

My intention was that since it wasn't still in its original configuration, I'd have it rebarreled and drilled and tapped forbscope mounting... After doing the math, I could have almost 2 rifles rebarreled because of the extra work required on those particular rifles.
So its going to stay, and I'm going to work the stock over until it's a comfortable rifle for me to shoot regularly.
 
There are modern 30-06 rifles from several makers which are cheap and will be more accurate than a 1903A3.

I wouldn't bet on that.

I have 7 '06s, two Model 70s, a M1917, M1903a3, M1903A4, and 2 Garands.

The A3 (which is original) is probably the most accurate of the 7. The A4 is also great but for some reason I can shoot the irons of the A3 better then the 2.5X glass on the A4.

The only advantage the Model 70s have is the modern higher powered scope but if you put on the same irons the A3 carries, I have no doubt it will hold its own.

The '03 action is probably the most accurate action you'll find on any military rifle which is why it was chosen for the Mann Device (which the army uses to test their ammo)

To the OP, you can get stocks to restore your 'A3 several places including the CMP. In doing so you'll increase the value of your rifle above and bubba'ed 03. and have a great shooter.

If for some reason you have to shoot it with a scope, then convert it to an 'A4. Simply by removing the sights, Get a Redfield base for the Springfield and get it installed. Then you can use any 1 in. or 7/8 rings, find a legal scope for the Vintage Rifle matches, and w/the 1 inch rings you can put any modern scope with 1' tubes. You'll find it as accurate as any bolt (non match) '06 as you'll find.

A4 w/2.5 Weaver

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It sounds like you need an uncut stock, handguard, and all the front end hardware as shown here (except the buttplate, which you have.)
https://sites.google.com/site/wwii1903a3builder/stock-hardware

If you "convert it to an A4" you will have a scope sighted rifle which will be immediately obvious as a fake. It will also be a lot more expensive to construct because you will need a Type C stock. But it will be more shootable to the Internet Generation which demands a scope sight on about everything.
 
IIRC: Remington 03A3 all had 2 groove barrels.
By the time you put a decent sporter stock on it, drill & tap for scope base, and alter the bolt handle, you will have the price of a used 30/06 Savage invested. PLUS, you will have destroyed the sentimental value of owning your FIL's old rifle. I've done my share of rifle butchery back in the days when it was cheaper to chop up an "old Army rifle" but I no longer see it as economical(or ethical) to suggest such practices.
 
I could upgrade it to fit my needs as guys have been doing with those things for years.

This made a lot of sense when they were a fraction of the price of the bottom of the line Remington or Winchester, and could be found by the barrel full in the local hardware store for $10. Those days are long gone.
 
Welcome to TFL Pettitbuilt!

While I love good sporterized rifles, and have done it myself to several over the years, I too must cast my vote with those who say DON"T DO IT!!!!

When it comes to market value, today's market is 100% upside down from the market that existed from post WW I through the 1970s, particularly in the decades after WW II.

In those days, unaltered surplus military rifles were nearly as common as, and nearly as cheap as dirt. Today, they are pearls of great price.

Back in the 60s, sporterizing a milsurp meant taking a $20 or$30 rifle, spending maybe $100 (often including the price of the scope), and getting a $200-300 dollar rifle, with all the features, you wanted, and in any possible caliber, as fine, or finer than anything coming out of the factories, for less cost.

Today, sporterizing a milsurp means taking an $800 rifle, spending $400 (or more?) and winding up with a $300ish rifle. Maybe.



This is my 1903. .25-06. BUBBA did NOT do THIS. While I do agree that "Bubbas" did butcher a lot of guns, I find it sad that so many people assume, and refer to, ALL sporterizing as "Bubba'd" today.

Bubba has always been with us, but back in the day, there were also a LOT of skilled craftsmen, good people with their hands and their tools. Today, those skilled artisans are retired or passed away, and while we still have skilled folk today, their numbers are few and their work commands a premium.

That .25-06 I bought at a gun show for $350, and I bought it for 2 reasons, the main one being I wanted the scope it had on it for another rifle, and #2) I didn't have a .25-06. Current scope and bipod I added to it. The work done on that rifle is absolutely top shelf, its scary accurate and has a fantastic 28oz trigger (scaled). But it isn't worth crap on today's market.

A beat up GI condition "clunker" bring 2-3x as much money. Here's another example,
somebody used a lot of love to turn one of these


Into this


Which I also picked up at a show for $350, just as it is, scope included.

This 1909 Argentine Mauser cost me $450, but its a .458 Win Mag!


If the market value of your 03A3 is important to you, DO NOT SPORTERIZE IT!
Returning it to full GI issue condition will make it worth the most it can be, today, and is entirely possible, as long as no permanent metal work has been done to the rifle. Correct stocks & handguard are available, still, and while you can't get GI replacement wood for $3.50 like we once could, you can still get it, until the supplies of originals run out.

If you are looking for an "upgraded" rifle to fit your needs, I strongly suggest you start the upgrade with a different rifle, one commercially produced today.

You can be just as happy, probably get off cheaper, and you won't have legions of beginner milsurp collector fanatics berating you for "destroying" a (holy) piece of history. :D
 
Thanks for confirming what I was already coming to realize. As to the number of grooves, I'm no expert but there are clearly 4. Does that make the authenticity suspect? It does have "RA 3/43" and the flaming bomb stamped below the front sight.
 
IIRC: Remington 03A3 all had 2 groove barrels except very early Remington's. Very much doubt a 1943 barrel would be 4 groove though.
A sporterised '03A3 is worth roughly half its full military brother is worth. Depending on condition and where you are.
Mind you, taking one the other way is a pricey proposition. $200ish for the stock, $12ish for a hand guard, but it's the wee metal bits(Jim Watson's stock steel hardware) that really cost. For example, sling swivel SCREWS run $5-$7 EACH. $20 to $35 for a butt plate. $50ish for the rear sight, etc, etc. Gets expensive fast.
 
It seems like taking it back to original would be the shortest trip from where I am right now. Other than original mil. stock being altered, everything else is in original state. Butt plate, sights, etc. Although I like the idea of building a shooter off of such a solid action, I think it would be a mistake with this one.
 
M1903A3

I sold mine a month ago for $750. A 4 million serial number with a 9-43 stamped barrel that is a four groove. Mine had two parts not original to the gun. The stock had bolts not brass re-enforcing screws making the stock post 1944 and a large loop trigger guard, also post '44.
All inspector cartouches and proof marks fully visible.

Making yours a sport rifle is up to you, obviously. You got the gun for free so investing a couple hundred dollars to 'restore' the rifle to military condition, then selling it as such would lead you to a pretty good down payment on a nice sporting rifle in any caliber you choose.
 
T. O'Heir said:
IIRC: Remington 03A3 all had 2 groove barrels except very early Remington's. Very much doubt a 1943 barrel would be 4 groove though.

My Remington 03A3 has a Remington barrel dated 3-43 which is 4 groove.
 
Another vote for restoration.
There are several paths to a stock.I was disappointed by two lower cost attempts.(One SARCO,one E-Bay)
I ended up going high dollar for an original GI unissued,new in the box "C" stock from Northridge International.The price on the "C" has gone up considerably.
They do have a more affordable "scant" stock.While it might seem high,these are excellent,original ,new stocks.
I think mine was made by Milton Bradley.Here is a link

http://northridgeinc.com/store/index.cfm/c156
 
Thanks for confirming what I was already coming to realize. As to the number of grooves, I'm no expert but there are clearly 4. Does that make the authenticity suspect? It does have "RA 3/43" and the flaming bomb stamped below the front sight
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Oddities do crop up. I could be a 4 grove.

Restore it or sell it to someone what will.

If you really want a scoped 1903 buy one that has had that done to it and don't ruin a good piece of history.

I don't blame people for doing so in the past and I resent the term Bubba, but to do so now knowing their value would be a serious shame.
 
Keep it original and pass it on to your children. It will mean much more to them steel and walnut rather than aluminum and plastic
 
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