Woman carries loaded weapon on flight

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Wow, a 12-shot .357 Magnum! Where can I get one of those? What do you bet it was a .357Sig? Maybe her husband is an air marshal.
And then there's the line about how federal law "bars civilians from possessing magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds".


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20020826/D7LL70BO1.html

Aug 26, 2:15 PM (ET)

By DAVID B. CARUSO

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - A woman charged with carrying a loaded gun into a terminal at Philadelphia International Airport may have carried the same weapon undetected past security screeners in Atlanta, the FBI said Monday.

Nancy Keller was arrested Sunday after she put a carryon bag containing a .357-caliber Magnum handgun through an X-ray machine, authorities said.

Keller, 37, of Huntersville, N.C., told an FBI agent that the gun belonged to her husband and she wasn't aware it was inside the bag. She faced a hearing on a charge of boarding an aircraft with a concealed weapon.

FBI spokeswoman Linda Vizi said Keller had arrived on a flight from Atlanta and was making a flight connection that required her to leave and re-enter the airport's secure zone.


"Obviously we will look into the circumstances of what happened," said Lanii Thomas, spokeswoman for Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport.

No flights were delayed, officials said.

Court papers said the gun was loaded with 12 rounds. The bag also contained a 12-round clip labeled "restricted law enforcement, government use only." Federal law bars civilians from possessing magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.

Vizi said she didn't know if Keller's husband worked in law enforcement.

US Airways spokesman John Bronson confirmed that there had been a "security incident" but referred questions to authorities. A spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration in Washington declined to provide details.
 
Wow, bummer for the lady.

"Federal law bars civilians from possessing magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds."

Probably meant to say "...posessing magazines that are LE Only"



".357-caliber Magnum handgun " YEs probably 357 Sig... unless there are monster .357 Desert Eagle magazines :D


"The bag also contained a 12-round clip " magazine?

More media fluff

:barf:
 
i bet it was 357sig also...if it was a desert eagle, the mag would be smaller, and the bag weight would have been noticeable when it was empty.

sig or glock?

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Boy. The Feds finally found a gun! Guess they'll burn her at the stake, regardless of whether or not there was intent to commit a crime. It reminds me of when Ben Hur's mother and sister accidently knocked that tile off the roof and ended up in a leper colony.

What everyone fails to mention is that this proves a civilian can carry a firearm onto a flight and complete the flight with no evidence of a crime having been committed. There are those who would have us believe that the gun would leap into the cockpit and take control of the aircraft.
 
What everyone fails to mention is that this proves a civilian can carry a firearm onto a flight and complete the flight with no evidence of a crime having been committed.
Click to expand...

It also proves that no matter how hard they try, they can't keep illegal guns off airplanes. She didn't drive to Philly from NC.

So again, we have a situation where honests citizens are unarmed potential targets for criminals.
 
Am I the only person here who has a problem with being able to punish someone for >attempting< to carry a weapon on a flight?

Fair enough, it's within the remit of this "law" stuff to spank someone for actually carrying a weapon onto a plane. After all, you can't tell which woman's actuall an Al-Quaeda activist :rolleyes: until they decide to Do Something.

But if they've been stopped from doing something, then any further punitive measure are simple vindictiveness, aren't they?
 
1. The law forbidding law abiding citizens to carry is stupid if not unconstitutional.

2. The lady is stupid (a) if she tried to get by with it and/or (b) she 'forgot'.

3. The security people are stupid to have missed it in the first place.

4. Security CAN NOT keep all weapons off aircraft. They CAN NOT be sure no more hijackings will take place. They are ONLY doing "COVER THIER A$$" stuff so that WHEN the next trouble comes (AND IT WILL!) they can find many lil ole ladies who were dang near strip searched to tesitfy that "THEY REALLY TRIED"! That will keep the victims from sueing them for (1) taking away THIER means of protection thus assuming the job of protecting them AND (2) THEN not protecting them!

Typical bureaucratic, political correctness, 'big brother government will take care of you cradle to grave', new world order CRAPOLA!

PITIFUL!
 
Disturbing reporting

I know each of these has been mentioned in part, but I find the AP report quoted at the begining of this thread to be dreadful.

First, the reporter knows just enough to be dangerous. Just because he saw .357 somewhere he assumes it is a "Magnum handgun." That is really inserted only to make the gun seem more dangerous and more threatening.

The then refers to the magazine as a "clip."

Finally, he completely mis-states Federal law regarding the possession of high-cap magazines.

Why should I believe any of the rest of the story is true?


As far as charging people for charging someone with "attempting" to do something -- we do that all the time. Attempted murder, attempted armed robbery, etc. Why should the person escape liability just because they got caught before the crime could be completed? Constitutional protection keep the government from charing you with though crimes -- you can't be charged with thinking about bringing a weapon on a plane. But, when those thoughts evolve into concrete actions in furtherance of a crime -- you can be charged.

I don't have a problem with that. Do they have to wait until she is on the plane? But she could still get off... right? Maybe they have to wait until the plane is in the air? She passed the last reasonable point where she would have changed her mind. She is an idiot--no doubt. However, if she can show that she had no criminal intent -- i.e., it was an accident -- she gets off anyway.
 
FWIW - Local TV showed a picture of a SIG, .357 SIG caliber I presume. The P229 in .357 SIG takes a 12 round magazine.

However I have not been able to find any solid written information as to exactly what brand and model of firearm it was.

Rob
 
I believe that Hartsfield was in the first group of airports to get TSA screeners. Makes sense, since they have been #1 in traffic for US airports.
 
I'd like to have a copy of her stay out of jail pass

PhiladelphiaWeekly.com
http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/article.asp?ArtID=4277
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__GRAPEVINE : POLITICS

Not So Great Guns
John Ashcroft's pro-gun hypocrisy recently played out right here in Philly.
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CeaseFire PA, a gun-violence prevention advocacy group, is outraged by the U.S. Attorney's decision last week to drop weapons charges against a North Carolina woman arrested on Aug. 26 for attempting to carry a concealed semi- automatic handgun and a couple magazines of restricted ammunition through security at Philadelphia International Airport.
The woman, Nancy Keller, of Columbus, Ohio, flew from Atlanta to Philadelphia with the gun concealed in her carry-on bag, which she apparently got through security in Atlanta undetected. Keller was, however, stopped in Philadelphia by security agents who found the .357 semi-automatic loaded with a 12-shot magazine labeled "restricted--law enforcement, government use only," along with an additional magazine of ammo.
Possession of such ammunition by anyone other than a member of the military or a law enforcement agent is illegal. Under the terms of the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, it is illegal for anyone who does not belong to either of these two groups to possess an ammo clip containing more than 10 bullets. (The ban did, however, include a grandfather clause allowing guns and ammo bought before the bill was passed.)
Keller claimed that the gun, ammo and bag belonged to her husband and she did not realize what she carrying, and apparently that was good enough for the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Patrick Meehan, who was quoted as saying it was "in the interest of justice not to move forward in this case."
"Mr. Meehan's bizarre conclusion that it is somehow in the interest of justice not to prosecute a clear illegality is prime Ashcroft-speak," says Bryan Miller, CeaseFire PA's executive director. "The Ashcroft Justice Department loudly claims that it is eager to prosecute gun crime, and then lets this case drop. Ashcroft busily postures about leading the fight against terrorism, then lets someone who brought a semi-automatic handgun loaded with illegal ammunition on an airline flight, go free, much as he has refused to let the FBI use gun-purchase background-check records to find if suspected terrorists had bought guns."
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It remains unclear whether anyone in the case will have to answer for the illegal ammunition. Neither Keller nor her husband work in law enforcement or the military, according to a source at the U.S. Attorney's Office.
"The U.S. attorney appears to want the focus to be on the issue of carrying the gun on the flight," says Miller, who became a vocal proponent of gun-law reform and aggressive enforcement of existing gun laws after his brother, an FBI agent, was gunned down in 1994. "However, given the Bush administration's oft-stated intention to 'vigorously' enforce existing gun laws, why hasn't the U.S. attorney focused on the obvious crime of a citizen possessing prohibited ammunition?
"The clips said right on them, as per the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, 'restricted--law enforcement, government use only.' This is more proof that the gun lobby, as it said it would prior to the last federal election, determines gun policy for the Bush administration, as represented by the U.S. attorney in Philadelphia."
PW
September 18, 2002
Volume XXXI, No. 38
 
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