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while these look cool in the store i cant help but think , if i actually had to use my .40 on someone what would i look like in court when they show the jury the art work ? i dont think our d.a. has a very good sense of humor to boot. guess i'll just stick with my pdx-1's anyone else ever think along these lines?
 
It's a novelty item that is not intended for self-defense use (Hornady's literature makes this pretty clear). Just looking at it, it appears to be nothing more than their Critical Defense ammo with a different color tip and an amusing box. If you want something like it for self-defense, just get a box of Critical Defense.
 
Not realy. If I have to use my gun in a SD situation, and deadly force is used. The bigger part of it is going to be is the shooting justified. If it is justified it does not make a bit of defferance what ammo was used. Heck what kind of weapon was used is a moot point. Deadly force is deadly force regadless of what was used.

On a side note. I load my own so I doubt I would be buying the Zombie Max ammo. I think it is just some type of V-Max for handguns though I could be wrong.
 
Many states have laws that preclude or prevent civil lawsuits from being filed after a justifieable shooting. These provisions are often lumped in with "Castle Doctrine", although IMO the idea is really seperate from the core castle doctrine concept. If you are in a state where you have this provision in place, it only matters if the shooting was justified. If the shooting was justified, it really doesn't matter if you used Zombie Max or Black Talons, or if your Glock has the Punisher logo on the back plate or anything like that.

But if your state doesn't have one of those laws, then you could use your gun in a perfectly legal way to defend yourself that resulted in the assailant dying, and even if it was ruled a justifiable homocide, you could be facing a civil suit where a lawer for the plaintiffs would be dragging that stuff out before a jury - not good.

But it really all depends on where you live and what laws are in place.
 
m&p45acp10+1 said:
...The bigger part of it is going to be is the shooting justified. If it is justified it does not make a bit of defferance what ammo was used...
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C0untZer0 said:
...If the shooting was justified, it really doesn't matter if you used...
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You all really have to get over this "a good shoot is a good shoot" nonsense.

You don't have the final say as to whether the shooting was justified. That will be decided by other people. And if the DA and/or grand jury think, based on everything, that there's good reason to question whether it was justified, it will be decided by a jury at your trial. In that case, your shooting isn't justified until your trial jury says so.
 
fiddletown said:
You don't have the final say as to whether the shooting was justified. That will be decided by other people. And if the DA and/or grand jury think, based on everything, that there's good reason to question whether it was justified, it will be decided by a jury at your trial. In that case, your shooting isn't justified until your trial jury says so.
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A picture on the outside of a cardboard box probably won't have much to do with it either. (Even if it's an ammo box with zombies on it)
 
First, it is just Critical Defense so have that in your gun and the novelty Zombie Max on the show case.

Second, if you use the zombie max in a fully justified defense situation you better believe the lawyer coming after you in the civil suit is going to make a GIANT deal out of. It's the lawyers job to find any little thing showing you are crazy and wanted to kill a person so they can win millions for their client and take their 40% or whatever they get. That's how it works.

It doesn't matter how justified you were. It doesn't matter that there were not even criminal charges brought against you. The civil suit will come next and you can easily lose it.
 
on a lighter note they are a couple bucks cheaper than critical defense and tap. i mean who needs to shoot zombies with a bonded premium load anyway ?*







*poster does not belive in the undead, just bored @ work, additional members post at your own discretion,ymmv,imho lmao.:D
 
Zombie Max seems a bit childish to me. But then there are all sorts of war video games that are rated "MATURE". Go figure.
 
You don't have the final say as to whether the shooting was justified. That will be decided by other people. And if the DA and/or grand jury think, based on everything, that there's good reason to question whether it was justified, it will be decided by a jury at your trial. In that case, your shooting isn't justified until your trial jury says so.
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My comments were about a civil suit, and predicated on the shooting being justified, in those states that have a provision in the law that disallows a civil suit being filed in cases where the shooting was justified.

There are things that go into the evaluation of whether it was justifiable homicide but the fact is that in those states that have provisions that preclude civil lawsuits of justified shootings, if the shooting was justified, it really doesn't matter if you used Zombie Max or Black Talons, or if your Glock has the Punisher logo on the back plate or anything like that. The assailant and or his friends and family are not going to be able to file a lawsuit against you.
 
oh boy another post about to be locked.

since i joined this forum i have been amazed at how many guys on here cant take a joke. this has been discussed already and every time its someone crying that the zombie max loads are irrisponsible , makes us gun people look bad and blah blah blah.

ITS THE SAME AS THE VMAX! however they had a awesome idea, lets make green tips and call it zombie max. NOWHERE ON THE BOX DOES IT SAY SELF DEFENSE AMMO!

LIGHTEN UP GUYS! TAKE A JOKE
 
It's a novelty marketing gimmick, and kind of a fun one when considering the CDC's warning of a pending zombie Apocalypse. However, I think in today's world of "Lawyers Gone Wild", anything could happen after a shooting. Clearly justified or not! A caution given by my CCW class instructor "avoid exotic weapons, and exotic ammo" So many good off the shelf "normal" arms, and ammo that their isn't any reason to take the chance. JMHO
 
Our CCW instructor warned against self loads and to maintain a premium factory brand, so as to you couldn't be blamed as having" designed your killer" ammo, as factory ammo has specs that are reproducible. But same token I bought my son some zombie ammo for Xmas , as a joke not taking it too seriously :)
 
SharkHat said:
fiddletown said:
You don't have the final say as to whether the shooting was justified. That will be decided by other people. And if the DA and/or grand jury think, based on everything, that there's good reason to question whether it was justified, it will be decided by a jury at your trial. In that case, your shooting isn't justified until your trial jury says so.
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A picture on the outside of a cardboard box probably won't have much to do with it either. (Even if it's an ammo box with zombies on it)
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Maybe it won't hurt you. However, it's certainly not going to help you.

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fiddletown said:
You don't have the final say as to whether the shooting was justified. That will be decided by other people. And if the DA and/or grand jury think, based on everything, that there's good reason to question whether it was justified, it will be decided by a jury at your trial. In that case, your shooting isn't justified until your trial jury says so.
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My comments were about a civil suit, and predicated on the shooting being justified, in those states that have a provision in the law that disallows a civil suit being filed in cases where the shooting was justified...
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Not necessarily. You need to better understand how the legal system works.

Every civil immunity law as various conditions that need to be satisfied in order for the protections afforded by the law to attach. If there's a dispute about whether those conditions have been satisfied, you will find yourself in court to resolve that dispute. Understand that resolving dispute about law and/or facts is what courts do and what litigation is all about.
 
I don't think it would be an issue. I doubt the DA would know the difference between a red tipped critical defense and a green tipped one.
 
I thought I'd heard somewhere that the Zombie Max ammo was really a bunch of substandard Critical Defense /Critical Duty ammo from a bad production lot that was rebranded as non-Sd ammo and sold.

Any truth to that claim?
 
Hornady specifically says that it is only for shooting zombies not people. I have some in 3 different Calibers so I can pull it out and show someone in 20 years, or for zombies, which ever comes first.
 
I thought I'd heard somewhere that the Zombie Max ammo was really a bunch of substandard Critical Defense /Critical Duty ammo from a bad production lot that was rebranded as non-Sd ammo and sold.

Any truth to that claim?
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I doubt they would take the time to pull bullets with red tips and rerun them with green tips. Even if this is a novelty item, hornady still has a reputation of quality to maintain.
 
The Z Max ammo is more expensive than the V Max ammo even though they are the same critical defense round. Somebody at Hornady is a marketing genius because people are buying this stuff.
 
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