zero tolerance rant

blooch

New member
i was just reading the pleasant surprise in sunday school topic and notice the zero tolerance policy being mentioned. it makes me angry to think about it again. last year my daughter , then 4'10", 10 years old, was groped several times by a boy in her p.e. class, in front of her teacher/coach. we did not find out about this incident for several weeks. only when a behavior change led us to ask questions did we find out. our daughter told her coach when it happened, she said it was just boys being boys and not to mention it any more, our daughter obeyed,just as she'd been taught. when she did tell us she was crying her eyes out because she had the impression she was going to be in trouble at school because the coach had told her not to tell. we assured her that she would not get in to trouble and told her not to let these actions go unchallenged, the zero tolerance policy reared it's ugly head. the principal, a fellow deacon in the local baptist church informed me of how this policy worked.we asked to have our daughter moved into another class to get her away from this youngster, who was basically terrorizing since he found out there would be no reprisals, we were denied and told that if our daughter defended herself, she would be expelled from school no matter what provoked her. i told him to try it and the school would regret it. he just stared at me. aafter about a minute of a stairring contest he switched our daughter to the other 4th grade class. i told him that he would see to the discipline at school of all the students we probally would not have a prroblem with my child. my kid is very bright,very quiet, doesn't get into trouble, she's not an angel , i expect her to get in a little trouble now and then, but this was not what i consider normal 4th grade trouble. my mom was a teacher for 40 years, she said you haad to know when to let things handle themselves and when to stop them because they were more than kids could handle. we try to prepare our kid for the world, not childproof the world for them, zero tolerance goes against this. it looks like our school wants to have a bunch of clones , no thinking for yourself, only what you are told at school. it is scary to think that this type of thing goes on in a very small central texas school, i hate to think what goes on in a bigger crowd.

our daghter tried to let the school handle this youngster and we did too. we also taaught her how to defend herself. she had to at the start of this year. she put the little brat on the ground a times and he just kept coming, she planted her knee in his groin and we haven't heard any more about trouble with him. the teacher said she didn't see a thing when the little boy ran to the principal. then he started riding his bike over to the street in front of our house and trying to intimidate /terrorize our daughter after school. we live directly across from the local p.d.. we tried to get him to leave and he refused so the local law came out and haad talk with him, he informed them they couldn't do anything to him, boy was he wrong.
he does not bother my child any more.

this is not every little thing that happened, but the gist of the matter is that zero tolerance is not going to work. when we teach our kids not defend themselves against any attack, what does that make them when they are grown? a bunch of sheep who want the world fixed for them so they don't have to be responsible for defending themselves because they never have. i think we have some major problems facing us because what our kids are not being taught.

just a rant, not well thought out, but at least i think , many here in my community go blindly along as long as they are not pushed out of their comfort zone.
 
Quite simply put . The boy that gave your daughter a problem has a father ? This father has a butt ? You have a foot ? Am I getting through to you ?
Harsh but effective . Oh, a problem with the cops when he goes crying ? You were with me at the time . Along with a few other guys . Anyone out there remember all of us sitting around B.S.ing when the unfortunate incident happened ?

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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
Right, and then there is the first grader who was in sexual harassment troubles because he kissed a female schoolmate. There is a logical gap here somewhere. I suggest a sexual harassment suit.
 
I had a somewhat similar problem in 5th grade, only I was getting the cr** beat out of me by 4-5 kids just because I was a convient target. Like a good little socialist in training I tried to let the school handle it and not fight back. I ended up being homeschooled due to the fact the school would do nothing about it. I now have no problem using a approprite level of force to deal with an attack. BTW, I'll be graduating this summer.
 
blooch,
As I said in my littel rant about zero tolerance I realized that there was very little I could do alone, without legal counsel to relay my real intentions if the matter weren't dealt with in proper fashion.
I realized something very valuable by that experience, that without the realistic threat of legal retalliation, the "system" will do nothing in your defense.
And so it is in real life, without a lawyer on retainer, you have nothing to base your complaint upon.

We now pay a lawyer a retainer for the year, regardless if we need him or not. One never knows WTF is going to happen in this day and age, seriously. Besides, the lawyer fee is a deduction on the taxes!!!

As I'd said B4, without trying to instill disgust, or resentment, was that there is an ongoing process to dehumanize our youth, our proginy, our future!!! And this process starts very early, and continues until, and after they're adults.

I apologize for opening wounds, it wasn't my intention, but perhaps worthwhile.

Just my $0.02 worth...

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms;
History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

Vladimir Ilich Lenin, former leader of USSR

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited May 31, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited May 31, 2000).]
 
When I was in fourth grade we moved to a new town with a new school. Being the new kid on the block and the tallest kid in my class, everyone wanted to fight with me. The first two fights went OK, I won by giving the other kid a bloody nose. After that they decided to gang up on me. I had a mile walk home from school. The third night going home five kids jumped on me and beat the living crap out of me. As they ran off, I was informed that if I came back to school they would do the same thing the following night.

My Mom was pissed and wanted to call the police to have them arrested as I had a broken nose and was black and blue from head to my toes. My Dad said no, that this was my problem and that I should take care of it. I cried and screamed about that. Told them that I was not going back to that school. My Dad told me to quit being foolish and to handle the situation like a man.

When I was getting ready for school the following morning, I found a quirt in the large pocket of my coat. If you don’t know what a quirt is…. Well it is a short bull whip with a spring steel shaft for half of it’s length. That night going home, sure nuff, the kids were waiting for me. I caught the first one that rushed me across his back. Up until that point they did not know about the quirt. The rest of them backed off once they saw the other kid screaming his head off from the sting.

From that day on, I got a reputation as a killer and was not someone to mess with. The story was told over and over by everyone at the school and as the years went by it grew until the story reached the point that I had put a kid in the hospital and had almost killed him. Funny how stories like that change. Did not have another fight until I reached High School, when one of the Seniors had to try me out.

Oh by the way, three of those five kids later became my best friends. We solved the pecking order in normal kid fashion. It’s funny when I think back on how we grew up. A fist fight usually ended in a bloody nose. Both kids would then shake and usually end up being friends. Seems today kids will pull out knives, guns, etc. Not like it was where we lived by the code of the west. If you had a problem with someone, well tell them. If it ended in a fight, fine. We had unspoken rules that had to be followed. If one did not follow the rules…. Well you would become an outcast forever.

So teaching your daughter to defend herself and stand up to the bully I can relate to. What my Dad did was to give me a sense of self-reliance. It was one of many lessons that I think helped to make me a better person. Penting up one's anger does more harm in the long run.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
Reading the opening topic made me rethink the entire idea of calling them sheep. They are not sheep. Hell it is an insult to sheep the world over. Even a sheep will put up some resistance. They want to make us all lambs. Small, pathetic lambs.

Welcome to TFL PKN. I'm always glad to see younger members here and (even more importantly) in the RKBA.

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Gunslinger

TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
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