Your right to know at stake - Spare me!!!!

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Your right to know at stake
Thursday, May 25, 2006

If passed, the bill would limit public access to who holds gun permits.

One of the more controversial pieces of legislation waiting for the Governor's approval in Tallahassee deals with guns and your right to know who has one.

If the Governor signs off, the public will no longer have access to information on gun permit and concealed weapons holders, or their applications.

At Knight Shooting Sports in Clearwater, you'll be hard pressed to find someone opposing the legislation.

The NRA said the bill will stop media harassment of license holders and prevent other crimes like identity theft and stolen firearms. But opponents said locking up this information sends the state down a slippery slope.

After more than 50 years of military and law enforcement experience, retired Army Major Norm Belson teaches the average citizen about handguns.

"A firearm is not a life-taker, it's a life-saver," Belson said. "And if the occasion calls for it, you should be able to defend yourself and family."

Belson said his concealed weapon permit classes at the Knight complex revolve around safety first and proper training. But a Florida law has him concerned about his own safety and anyone who owns a gun legally. Today, personal information about concealed weapons and firearms license holders are public record.


Belson, right, said the more people that know you have a gun, the more danger you and your family are in.

"If anyone else knows and information is released, I will be exposed to danger," Belson said. "My family will be exposed to danger, as well as all the other persons that have concealed weapons permits. The scumbags will, in fact, take advantage of that knowledge."

A majority of House and Senate lawmakers agreed with him and the National Rifle Association (NRA).

Earlier this month during the regular session, they passed new legislation exempting personal information from public record. Only two senators and a handful of representatives opposed it, saying the only thing in danger is Florida's policy on open records and the public's right to know.

"Florida is known as the sunshine state, not just because we have great weather, but because we have this records law that puts everything in the sunshine so the public knows what goes on," Democratic Representative Bob Henriquez said. "So I think that's the bigger issue, to be careful not to close records to the point that we're hurting our citizens in the meantime."


Henriquez said citizens would be hurt if the bill passed.

Belson disagreed, saying, "It's my business, and it's the business of the state as long as it goes through the proper authorities. It's not anyone else's business."

Henriquez said it's likely the Governor will sign the bill into law. But he also claims passing the legislation earlier this month was more about politics during an election year and offering the NRA a concession since other key legislation failed.

If the bill is approved by the Governor, the public won't have access. But law enforcement and other authorities will have access.

All gun licenses are maintained by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.
 
The public does not have a right to know

Belson disagreed, saying, "It's my business, and it's the business of the state as long as it goes through the proper authorities. It's not anyone else's business."
+10,000 to that! In spite of the leftist news media's mantra of "The public has a right to know," I have yet to find that phrase anywhere in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution - or any law that I am obliged to obey.
 
I personally do not see a problem with the public having access to this information. It is no different than the public being able to know if you have a nursing, plumbing, or any other state issued license.

In a perfect world, there would be no license need. However, as long as the state does issue it, it should be public information.
 
Driver License information is public record, with a small fee. It is easily obtained through the Department of Motor Vehicles.
 
My family will be exposed to danger, as well as all the other persons that have concealed weapons permits. The scumbags will, in fact, take advantage of that knowledge.

This is the very reason why the legislation is a good idea. Criminals who are in the market for buying and selling guns, want to get ahold of as many of them as they can for the least amount of money and effort. Especially if the serial numbers won't point to them or the people they sell them to. So what they do is get ahold of this "public information", which, along with a phone book, gives them a nice shopping list of where to break-in and steal all the guns they could want. Yeah it's a little risky breaking into a gun owner's house, but if they're even remotely smart at it, they'll do a little homework, find out when noone is home, and strike when there is no risk to them. That's why the NRA and Norm Belson wanted it to pass. A private citizen's personal property should not be the subject of scrutiny to the general public.

Driver's license information is just as important and should be just as confidential. It's almost everything an identity thief needs.:cool:
 
Even thought I have one (a permit)

the one group I wish didn't know I carried is the same that issued the permit. I think 'they' are the biggest danger.
 
The permits themselves represent an assault on individual liberty (that they are required).

Prohibitions on carry exist due to it being so stigmatised.

The only equivalent would be if there was a "gay" permit to be gay; but back before it was "cool" to be same. "Licenses should be public record" so noone would be in the closet.

In the closet? Yeah, carrying guns isn't that "cool".

Those for and against the releasing of this information are, predictably, those also on opposite sides of whether people should be "allowed" to carry in the first place. Some people don't want people carrying guns, and any cost, $ or privacy or otherwise, added to the permit is a move in the right direction (cut number of people carrying).
 
Everything the government does should be public record. Because of this I support it. BUT, I don't support having the permits in the first place.
 
I personally do not see a problem with the public having access to this information. It is no different than the public being able to know if you have a nursing, plumbing, or any other state issued license.

That's not a very good analogy. The reason for public access to professional license information is so that the public can judge who is and who isn't likely to be trustworthy to do a particular job for them.

Publicizing who is allowed to carry concealed and who's not destroys the shell game aspect of concealed carry. Most arguments for concealed carry licensing say or imply that this shell game is a big part of the deterrence afforded by a concealed weapon against crime. A criminal can't be sure whether or not you are in possession of one.
 
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