Young man shoots carjacker, sheriff perpetuates culture of fear and victimhood

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Jun 19, 10:03 AM EDT

17-year-old shoots carjacker who pulled gun on youth's mother



METAIRIE, La. (AP) -- A man with a gun was trying to force a woman out of her car at a fast-food drive-through when the woman's 17-year-old son wrestled the gun away from him and shot him.

Carl Chestnut, 44, of Kenner, is expected to survive wounds to his head and body, and will face armed robbery charges once he is released from East Jefferson General Hospital, Col. John Fortunato, a Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office spokesman, said Monday.

It would have been safer to hand over the keys and let the gunman drive off, Sheriff Harry Lee said Monday.

Fortunato said the 53-year-old woman was in line at an Arby's Roast Beef Restaurant about 1:30 a.m. Monday when Chestnut walked up and pointed a gun at her, demanding their money and the car.

When he leaned inside, aiming the gun with one hand and trying to yank her out with the other, the 17-year-old grabbed the gun, Fortunato said. He said it went off once as they strugged, but did not hit anyone. Once the youth got the gun, he shot Chestnut several times, Fortunato said.

Sylena Rhodes, a corporate officer for Arby's, said, "He saved his mother's life. He's a hero. He's an absolute hero."

Lee acknowledged that the gamble succeeded, but said it was one that could have cost lives. He repeated advice that the best way to survive a holdup is to cooperate.

"Give them the money and give them the keys. You make an insurance payment on your car, and nobody gets shot," he said.

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Yeah, sure it would have been safer. Maybe. Maybe the guy would have decided to shoot them anyways because he didn't want witnesses. Maybe he was on PCP. Maybe it would have been fun. Maybe maybe maybe but I'm pretty sure most of you guys agree with me that if someone points a gun at me they fully intend to kill me and I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that doesn't happen. A dude's stealing my car, threatening my life and my mother's for a set of wheels, and I'm supposed to TRUST that he's not going to shoot?

My ass. Good for that kid. Seems like that woman raised a brave man.
 
Why does it seem like once someone becomes sheriff or chief, they get neutered?

Seriously. The most antigun groups out there sometimes seem to be states' police chief associations, and it's always the chiefs who urge compliance with a robbery.

What is it that turns cops into victim-mentality promoters once they drive a desk?
 
They don't like headlines like "Neighbor twarts rape attempt before police arrive" or "Police arrive to find two attackers shot by intended victim ." . Instead they seem to go towards "Elderly couple pistol whipped and robbed. Police looking for clues." The cities are rife with crime but rural areas are special due to responce times . I saw a campaign poster for County Sheriff in Iowa some years ago that promised responce time of one hour or less no matter where in the county the crime or complaint originated . It seems to be a control thing . Sheriffs that have a bit more sense have conversations like "Hey Sheriff , a fella broke into my house with a gun ." "Is he still there?" "Oh yeah , and he's gonna be until Homer (The Coroner) comes and gets him." "OK , I'll be out there in a bit."
 
It might have been safer to cooperate. It might not have been. That's a decision anyone in a SD situation is going to have to make. If you eff it up it can cost you just as much as not having a weapon when you need it.
 
The Sheriff or Chief of Police is usually mostly a political appointment. It's not how much they know of the real world as how much and who's boots they can lick.
 
He repeated advice that the best way to survive a holdup is to FIGHT BACK WITH DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE.

"Dont ever give them the money or give them the keys. You should shoot no matter what and damn the consequences. he said."
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Thread title: Young man shoots carjacker, sheriff calls for all armed citizens to start shooting criminals so as to install a culture of machoness.

WildyepthatswhatiwanttoseeAlaska
 
So is your problem just with young men, then? Suppose it was young women who were encouraged to fight back against rapists? Would your problem then be about estrogen?

Advice used to be aptly given 20+ years ago about giving in to an attackers demands, because the common criminal back then figured the penalty for murder was not worth the risk of getting caught.
However, criminals in todays world know they can easily get away with murder, be acquitted of charges, in fact, they know it ups their 'street cred' if they do commit a murder.

Therefore, the advice to 'give in' is no longer valid advice.
 
Wild, it's much more effective when you're trying to stir things up to gain attention if you actually make sense and/or have a point.
 
Not to install a culture of "machoness", but to install a culture sans criminals.

As in: "they all been shot".
 
Why does it seem like once someone becomes sheriff or chief, they get neutered?

Seriously. The most antigun groups out there sometimes seem to be states' police chief associations, and it's always the chiefs who urge compliance with a robbery.

What is it that turns cops into victim-mentality promoters once they drive a desk?
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can you imagine the lawsuits that would get filed by begrieved widows, widowers and children if some armchair Rambo got whacked by a carjacker after hearing the local sheriff say "shoot back sissy" ?

it just ain't going to happen :p
 
Wild, it's much more effective when you're trying to stir things up to gain attention if you actually make sense and/or have a point.
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Scott, it's much more effective when you're trying toaccuse me of stirring things up to gain attention if you actually make sense and/or have a point.

WildhowsthatasibakeintheheatAlaska
 
However, criminals in todays world know they can easily get away with murder, be acquitted of charges, in fact, they know it ups their 'street cred' if they do commit a murder.
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Really...are you alleging that todays criminals are more deadly than criminals of yesteryear?

WildrangecardpreparedhydratingnowyougoingwithmetoshootthematchmylittlebrownbrotherAlaska
 
But my way is more effective AND masculine and your way always seems so complicated and sissified.

As in, you will wait for some big strong lawyer or policeman to come save the day before that mean ol' bad man can hwert you.

Your way only encourages more of the same.

Akin to yelling you'll hear from my lawyer at everything that goes "boo" in the dark.
 
Alleging???
Criminals of today are much more likely to injure or even kill for the thrill than criminals of old.

Are you alleging they're not.

And taking one from your book: Data and sources please.
 
But my way is more effective AND masculine and your way always seems so complicated and sissified.
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See, it all comes down to the masculine imperative....ego needs supreme:D

Are you alleging they're not.
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Im not alleging, Im asking:D

And taking one from your book: Data and sources please.
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Somebody want to give me homicide stats since 1969?:)

WildiNEEDSOMEONEWITHQUICKLOADTOCALLMERIGHTNOW3:45PMAKTIME6/21/07HELPMEANDIWILLLOVEYOUAlaska
 
The views you express about guns makes me wonder why your employer has you working behind the counter with customers.

Seems like he would want someone expressing why firearms are needed instead of the opposite.

I see your masculine imperative and raise you one feminine prerogative.
 
Since 69??
No, no, no, I want you to go back in time before the drug culture and free love to a time when people still felt safe to walk the streets after dark.
 
are you alleging that todays criminals are more deadly than criminals of yesteryear?
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Yes. Yes I am.
What was your response to that big guy who surprised you in your parking lot last fall? Why do we discuss the merits of carrying a gun, or open carrying if todays world is more dangerous and unpredictable than what you grew up in?

spacemandontfallforWA'spromisetoloveyouhenevercallsortakesyoutobreakfastthemorningafterspiff
:p
 
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