You or a friend ever accidentally violated some gun law?

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Anyone who claims to not have accidentally violated a gun law is playing fast and loose with the truth because the powers that be (especially at the federal level) have intentionally created a sea of catch 22s and grey areas.

You can have a totally legal gun, but in the course of repairing it be in technical violation (which is still a violation) of any number of federal gun laws. I started to list possibilites but there are just too many.

JPFO has blown wide open that BATFE doesn't actually have ANY testing standards to speak of. A semi auto with a broken part that causes "string fires" makes you a felon according to BATFE.

Did you know:

1. That having a SINGLE M-16 fire control part in the same house as a semi auto AR-15 puts you in "constructive possession" of a machine gun, even if you possess a legally registered M-16!

2. Adding the wrong buttstock (I think any buttstock) to a pistol creates an AOW (any other weapon), and having an unregestered AOW is a felony even though the registration is only $5!

3. Technically, if you own an "open bolt semi" auto, A. you own a gun that has been ruled to be a machine gun, and B. courts have ruled that something being manufactured prior to a BATF ruling doesn't change what it is!

4. Taking apart your registered suppressor is a technical violation since BATFE has ruled that "parts ARE suppressors." Thus, if you take it apart, those parts (except for the tube obviously, since it has the number on it) are technically, unregistered suppressors :barf: . A class III dealer is fighting charges from when an ATF troll at a range caught him with his supressor taken apart. :mad:

By the way, now that the AW ban is gone, I would also be curious if you unknowingly did something back then that you later found out was verboten (surprisingly easy to do). About halfway through the ban, I bought my Beretta .40. I noticed the box had "police special" on it so I asked the clerk what that meant. He handed me the gun and I looked at the mag. Funny, it had all this writing on it. Turns out it was an 11 round mag. I pointed this out to him, and no joke, he says, "it's no big deal, it's just one extra round, they musta sent it to us on accident" :eek:. Funnest purchase ever :D . I laughed even harder when I found multiple dealers around town who were selling "for export only" hi capacity 10/22 magazines. Apparently, some guy was going up to canada, buying cases of them, and selling them down here. Talk about ballsy.

Two months before the ban expired, I noticed an AB-10 on sale in a pawn shop where someone had done a decent job of threading it's barrel :eek: , I guess for a suppressor. The geniuses behind the counter kept calling it a Tec-9 even after I showed them the name on it :rolleyes: . I lost track how many times the ATF changed their minds about stuff DURING the ban, so nearly everyone violated something.
 
SINGLE M-16 fire control part in the same house as a semi auto AR-15 puts you in "constructive possession" of a machine gun, even if you possess a legally registered M-16!
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Heheh, I was just thinking about all the years where my M16 sat next to my ar-15 in the arms room below our barracks. Glad I don't have to let the ATF in there:D
 
2. Adding the wrong buttstock (I think any buttstock) to a pistol creates an AOW (any other weapon), and having an unregestered AOW is a felony even though the registration is only $5!
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$5 to transfer. $200 to manufacture. (if you put one on a gun that was previously unregistered it is manufacture) with the exception of certain C&R pistols (Mauser Broomhandle, and Colt woodsman come to mind) with Matching stock.


On a side not I have to say, YEs I was aware of these "laws" that applied to me. They say ignorance is no excuse, so I like to know if what I am doing is legal or not.
 
MN law that say's I can't have a handgun "within easy reach" in a car. It was in a case on the passenger seat. Got to remember to keep it in the trunk.
 
You .... ever accidentally violated some gun law?
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Most likely, quite possibly, almost definitely.

With so many laws, both federal and state as well as county and city/town, you probably have and will continue to do so unless caught, drug through the mud, and lose your Rights (or one of them) forever.

Wayne
 
As to breaking laws unintentionally, yup! I sure have. Have lots of company too.

However, breaking the law and having to pay a penalty are two different things. Just owning a weapon (or part of one) is only part of the equation. What are you doing with it that calls attention to yourself so you might get the attention of the authorities. I have found that too many like to show off. Usually when one goes about their business and does little to call attention to themselves, nobody cares.

As to getting stopped and having weapons in a car, what was happening that caused the LEO to pull the car over? Speed? Agressive Driving? Alcohol? Poorly maintained equipment?

Anyone (non FFL Dealer that is subject to inspection anyway) ever had BATF come to their house wanting to see any of their weapons? Doesn't usually happen unless something stupid called their attention to the person in question.

Hey, I've even carried after forgetting to renew my CPL. Never got asked for it while doing so. Renewed as soon as I noticed though. I guess I just never liked calling attention to the fact I am armed when in public.
 
Temporarily stepped onto school property (after school hours) while carrying to pick up my dog's poop.

~Ichiro
 
I think I violated the AWB. For a time, I had a flash supressor and a thumbhole stock on my 10/22. It looked cool, though.
 
Not accidentally, nope. Purposefully? I don't think so, but I really can't remember... err, what was I just saying?
 
Me and my Dad used to do "drive by" shoots on prarie dog towns when I was younger. One of us would drive, and stop the car when he saw a dog, and the other would shoot from the back seat out of a window. It was in the middle of nowhere, Kansas, and we were usually on old dirt farm roads that generally only saw a few cars a week pass, I never really thought anything of it until I found out that discharging a firearm from a moving vehicle is a crime.

Also, I'm sure I've transported guns through plenty of gun control zones while traveling, but that can be hard to avoid so I just drive more carefully when I have to pass through a known zone.

It is getting very difficult to tell if you are committing a crime nowadays. I guess I'm old fasioned, but I'm of the belief that for something to be considered a "crime" there has to be a victim. You can go to jail for life without even harming, or attempting to harm someone. Hell, you don't even have to accidentally almost hurt someone and you can be slapped with a felony.

Victimless crimes are control devices, plain and simple. I live in a country with too many laws and not enough common sense.
 
I break gun laws constantly and knowingly, because some of the places you can't legally carry are the ones where you need to most. I live in Northern Virginia, right across the Potomac River from Washington D.C. Carrying in DC is illegal with very stiff penalties, however I never go into the city unarmed. I also pack on federal property, courthouses, post offices and pretty much anywhere I damn well please. If you are carrying properly, then no one knows.
 
The sentiment of the last three posts is what made america free a couple centuries ago. I am glad to see it vocalized again. People are now conditioned to pout quietly, suffer in silence, slink away at injustice, not get involved, pray it's not them who is next, put on a good face, keep their true feelings buried, and be loyal to the powers that be. There's a lot of good civil disobedience to unconstitutional laws that does go on, but most of it is in SILENCE. We need the courage to vocalize it at home, with friends (using wisdom), and especially, in the JURY box for our fellow citizens. :)
 
Adding a buttstock to a pistol makes a short barrelled rifle, not an AOW.

I though old open bolt semi autos were grandfathered into legality.
 
me and my posse of Keyboard Revolutionary Commandos prefer to keep our 'fractures' of various laws to ourselves. you know, dont want to draw too much attention to ourselves before we decide its 'time'.
auuuggh i've said too much. prank poster! prank poster! i know nothing of the KRC nor the people allegedly involved with it or its purposes!
uhoh, a black helicopter just flew by. :eek:
 
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