Osborn F. Enready
Moderator
This is a compilation of thoughts expressed by other people, which echo my own. I have said these same things many times, so I feel no need to quote or credit anyone in particular for borrowing their words, which I have often expressed likewise.
You know your country is no longer free when.......
*after getting hit by a hurricane and the only thing that people want is ice to prevent their food from spoiling, an ice making company starts selling ice off of their loading dock and the city shuts it down because they don't have a retail license.
*the police shut down a children's lemonade stand because they didn't have a permit.
*Your tax payments are near equal, or greater than your take home pay.
*You need a permit to build a fire.
*you have to think about what you should actually post on the internet.
*The government can take your property and give it to anyone they please.
*the government wiretaps everone.
*you have to pay taxes after you die.
*your wife has to sell her home to pay those taxes.
*you have to pay education taxes yet have no kids of your own.
*a student can't bring a paring knife in their lunch box to peel an apple.
*your government believes that torture is a valid interrogation tool.
*your own government sells all of its citizens into financial slavery to a Private Corporation.(Federal Reserve)
*your library checkout log can be obtained by the government to check and see what books you are reading.
*that you must pass a high stakes test to prove you are educated, and it's more important how you state things on the test rather than having the correct answer.
*that you can be prosecuted for not giving your kids psychotropic medications when the state deems it necessary, while outlawing natural medically useful drugs.
*learning to be self-sufficient is viewed as being suspicious.
*using cash for a large purchase is suspicious activity.
*buying a ticket for cash or a one way ticket is suspicious activity.
*you must present gubbmint i.d. for virtually everything.
*If you object to gubbmint listening to every form of communication possible you are probably a criminal because after all , "if you don't have anything to hide...."
*you are numbered from birth in the sense that cattle are branded, and identified with a card that was never intended, and forbidden to be used as identification.
*you must pass a metal detector and show proper i.d. to gain entry to gubbmint buildings, where the "people's business is conducted."
*you don't have the right to travel without gubbmint permission because your passport is gubbmint property and must be surrendered on demand.
*You must declare cash or financial instruments ten thousand dollars or over on leaving the country or you are defacto a drug dealer and criminal.
*Banks must report any "suspicious activity" which is virtually everything because they fear fincen and fedguv.
*Banks require your national i.d. number even if the account is non interest bearing
*If you are on public lands and you find and take with you an arrowheard, you are a criminal.
*every source of income must be reported or you are a criminal and tax cheat
*You must be licensed for virtually any occupation or business because there is no free market and the various gubbmints need their cut
*there is no such thing as conscience or moral conduct as a defense, and judges aren't required to fully inform their juries on the right to nullify.
*Follow orders or you are a state criminal. Nuremberg was a long time ago
*Civil society is diminished and the state becomes more and more important.
Except those members of civil society who are de facto part of and approved by the state.
*Protestors must protest from designated spaces and must obtain a permit.
*Presidents can initiate war because they want to. The number one charge at Nuremberg, aggressive war, is now inoperative.
*They have the balls to declare certain areas "free-speech zones".
*If you don't pay your rent to the state they will take your land and maybe kill or imprison you.
*you must be properly deferential to the police or authority because if you don't they will take your property and maybe kill or imprison you.
*the supreme court can decide today that a right you had yesterday is not valid today. The idea that maybe rights aren't gubbmint granted is now inoperative, though it was ratified as a self-evident truth.
*No knock swat style raids and militarization of the police are good things. And if you question this you are most likely a criminal or terrorist.
*Anyone who brings up the bill of rights or declaration of independence or constitution just doesn't understand "our system" and is probably a criminal.
*If you refuse to accept, and provide on demand as a trained chimp, approved government I.D. whenever questioned, at threat of force being used to put you in prison.
*the police lie to get a warrant, bust down your door, and kill you for defending yourself and your family then find out they had the wrong house. Additional insult: All of the police involved are still working and aren't in prison.
*the U.S. Atty General says that Habeas Corpus is no more.
*secret warrants are issued by secret judges in secret courts and served by secret cops. The poor citizen is then taken to secret lock ups where NO lawyer can be had.
*your wife and young teenage son are MURDERED by FBI sharpshooters over a disputed tax of only $200, THEN you are cornered in your home with wounded friend and all of you are fearful of coming out for fear that you will be mowed down just like your wife and son.
*ALL those of the government agencies who committed these crimes are all rewarded and promoted rather than tried, convicted, and jailed as they should be.
*your local county commissioners spend weeks discussing exactly how a lap-dance is to be performed, and bust those doing it "wrong"
*growing certain plants can get you fined, jailed, or killed
*selling sexual aids can get you imprisoned
*Your "equally checked and balanced "President can rule by proclamation.(executive order)
Feel free to add to this list.......or debate.
Kind of reminds me of places where they give "directions" on how to properly beat your wife, legally, of course. :barf:
http://filecabi.net/video/mwifebeatings.html
You know your country is no longer free when.......
*after getting hit by a hurricane and the only thing that people want is ice to prevent their food from spoiling, an ice making company starts selling ice off of their loading dock and the city shuts it down because they don't have a retail license.
*the police shut down a children's lemonade stand because they didn't have a permit.
*Your tax payments are near equal, or greater than your take home pay.
*You need a permit to build a fire.
*you have to think about what you should actually post on the internet.
*The government can take your property and give it to anyone they please.
*the government wiretaps everone.
*you have to pay taxes after you die.
*your wife has to sell her home to pay those taxes.
*you have to pay education taxes yet have no kids of your own.
*a student can't bring a paring knife in their lunch box to peel an apple.
*your government believes that torture is a valid interrogation tool.
*your own government sells all of its citizens into financial slavery to a Private Corporation.(Federal Reserve)
*your library checkout log can be obtained by the government to check and see what books you are reading.
*that you must pass a high stakes test to prove you are educated, and it's more important how you state things on the test rather than having the correct answer.
*that you can be prosecuted for not giving your kids psychotropic medications when the state deems it necessary, while outlawing natural medically useful drugs.
*learning to be self-sufficient is viewed as being suspicious.
*using cash for a large purchase is suspicious activity.
*buying a ticket for cash or a one way ticket is suspicious activity.
*you must present gubbmint i.d. for virtually everything.
*If you object to gubbmint listening to every form of communication possible you are probably a criminal because after all , "if you don't have anything to hide...."
*you are numbered from birth in the sense that cattle are branded, and identified with a card that was never intended, and forbidden to be used as identification.
*you must pass a metal detector and show proper i.d. to gain entry to gubbmint buildings, where the "people's business is conducted."
*you don't have the right to travel without gubbmint permission because your passport is gubbmint property and must be surrendered on demand.
*You must declare cash or financial instruments ten thousand dollars or over on leaving the country or you are defacto a drug dealer and criminal.
*Banks must report any "suspicious activity" which is virtually everything because they fear fincen and fedguv.
*Banks require your national i.d. number even if the account is non interest bearing
*If you are on public lands and you find and take with you an arrowheard, you are a criminal.
*every source of income must be reported or you are a criminal and tax cheat
*You must be licensed for virtually any occupation or business because there is no free market and the various gubbmints need their cut
*there is no such thing as conscience or moral conduct as a defense, and judges aren't required to fully inform their juries on the right to nullify.
*Follow orders or you are a state criminal. Nuremberg was a long time ago
*Civil society is diminished and the state becomes more and more important.
Except those members of civil society who are de facto part of and approved by the state.
*Protestors must protest from designated spaces and must obtain a permit.
*Presidents can initiate war because they want to. The number one charge at Nuremberg, aggressive war, is now inoperative.
*They have the balls to declare certain areas "free-speech zones".
*If you don't pay your rent to the state they will take your land and maybe kill or imprison you.
*you must be properly deferential to the police or authority because if you don't they will take your property and maybe kill or imprison you.
*the supreme court can decide today that a right you had yesterday is not valid today. The idea that maybe rights aren't gubbmint granted is now inoperative, though it was ratified as a self-evident truth.
*No knock swat style raids and militarization of the police are good things. And if you question this you are most likely a criminal or terrorist.
*Anyone who brings up the bill of rights or declaration of independence or constitution just doesn't understand "our system" and is probably a criminal.
*If you refuse to accept, and provide on demand as a trained chimp, approved government I.D. whenever questioned, at threat of force being used to put you in prison.
*the police lie to get a warrant, bust down your door, and kill you for defending yourself and your family then find out they had the wrong house. Additional insult: All of the police involved are still working and aren't in prison.
*the U.S. Atty General says that Habeas Corpus is no more.
*secret warrants are issued by secret judges in secret courts and served by secret cops. The poor citizen is then taken to secret lock ups where NO lawyer can be had.
*your wife and young teenage son are MURDERED by FBI sharpshooters over a disputed tax of only $200, THEN you are cornered in your home with wounded friend and all of you are fearful of coming out for fear that you will be mowed down just like your wife and son.
*ALL those of the government agencies who committed these crimes are all rewarded and promoted rather than tried, convicted, and jailed as they should be.
*your local county commissioners spend weeks discussing exactly how a lap-dance is to be performed, and bust those doing it "wrong"
*growing certain plants can get you fined, jailed, or killed
*selling sexual aids can get you imprisoned
*Your "equally checked and balanced "President can rule by proclamation.(executive order)
Feel free to add to this list.......or debate.
Kind of reminds me of places where they give "directions" on how to properly beat your wife, legally, of course. :barf:
http://filecabi.net/video/mwifebeatings.html
