You can thank Bill Clinton for your 1911

Miami_JBT

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Yup.... you heard right. Now before you all stone me to death allow me to explain.

As a child of the 1980s I grew up in the age of the Wonder Nine. Beretta, GLOCK, Sig Sauer, HK, and Smith & Wesson. Everyone was dropping the wheel gun and adopting a 9x19mm of some sort or another. Hell, even Uncle Sam saw the writing on the wall and ditched the rattle trap 1911 for the Beretta.

Films like Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, RoboCop, The Rookie, Predator, Commando, Terminator, etc.... all of them had a ton of Wonder Nine action. They fueled the fire in sales long with every article in every gun rag about the next agency that just adopted a Wonder Nine. The LAPD, NYPD, FBI, etc... police sales do drive civilian market sales.

What was happening to the 1911 at the time? Well, it was being made by Colt and a couple of other folks. There was a small problem. The majority of them sucked! Standard procedure back then was you bought a 1911 and then sent it off to your gunsmith so it could work right. They were rattle traps that didn't feed anything but ball ammo and that's if you're lucky. They were low capacity, large, heavy, and a money pit. Why spend your hard earned money on an outdated piece of crap when you can buy a new hi tech GLOCK or an Italian Stallion Beretta 92? What about the ultra well crafted Sig P226?

The 1911 was starting to fade away..... than President William Jefferson Clinton came into the picture and signed into law the Assault Weapon Ban. A hideous piece of legislation that banned magazines over 10 rounds..... Gasp! That should reduce crime! Well, it didn't and we all know that. But we're not discussing the AWB itself.... more on the effect on the popularity of the 1911.

Now post 1994 you can still buy a GLOCK or a Beretta but why would you? Unless you had a source of pre-ban magazines you'd feel screwed and cheated. Why would you carry a fullsize pistol that can hold 15 to 17 rounds of 9x19mm when by law you were limited to 10 rounds max. All of a sudden the 1911 becomes in vogue again. Here you have a fullsize pistol that is also now all of a sudden "slim" and carries a cartridge that has more "knock down" power. 8 rounds of .45 will do what 15 rounds of 9mm can do! Everyone and their mother started cranking out 1911s.

You started having companies that made 1911s update the design. Make them work better, feed better, feel better. The 1911 I have today is 110 times better than one produced in the 1980s. I have a 2011 production Colt Combat Commander and a 1986 Colt Series 80. The Series 80 still can't feed JHP even after sending it off to a great gunsmith in the Miami area. But the Commander feeds everything and anything right out of the box. No tweaking needing.

The AWB helped fuel the 1911 market because folks thought "if I can't carry or own a fullsize 9mm pistol with proper magazines I might as well own something that is more powerful even though it has less capacity". Caliber effectiveness isn't being discussed here either. Just marketing and sales. Gun magazines were pushing 1911s and the .45 ACP for the simple reason that the AWB gutted the Wonder Nine market. what sold the Wonder Nines was capacity. Restrict it and the market drops like a rock.

The .40 S&W also gained market share due to the AWB. A Beretta 92FS, Sig Sauer P226, and S&W 5906 all held 15rd of ammunition. But their .40 caliber cousins held 11rds. Buyers wouldn't feel as cheated with the loss of one round than with the loss of five. Also agency sales drove that market too. Because in the mid 90s a ton of agencies swapped their Wonder Nines for .40 cals. It also drove the CCW market too. Before the AWB most companies didn't produce compact pistols. During the AWB a ton of companies did due to the 10rd limit. If you had to work with 10rd max, why build it a huge pistol around it. Compact and subcompact power house pistols started to show up. Those 9mm and .40 and .45 pocket pistols spelled the death of the Beretta 84 or browning copy...the .380 high capacity pistol was killed. GLOCK came out with the subcompacts because of that very reason. But that is also another discussion.

In the end... the 1911 market is what it is today because of Bill Clinton and the AWB. The AR-15 also is where it is today because of that. But that was more of the "If I can't have it I want it" mindset.
 
I agree. Those unintended consequences sometimes work for us.

The subcompact auto pistol was born out of the 1994 ban, as well.

Carry a full-size pistol with only 10 rounds or a tiny little guy with 10 rounds? Bang! Feinstein created the "pocket rocket"!
 
The 1911 was starting to fade away.
I'm not sure how accurate that statement is. The 1911 has a certain panache and cultural appeal that's never really waned. Well prior to the AWB, people were more than happy to put up with its deficiencies in spite of more reliable technology.

If we assume that capacity limits of the AWB pushed sales of 1911 pistols, then wouldn't the market for them have bottomed out when the ban ended in 2004?
 
If we assume that capacity limits of the AWB pushed sales of 1911 pistols, then wouldn't the market for them have bottomed out when the ban ended in 2004?

Yup...kind of shoots a hole (pun intended) in the original posters theory...

The firearm crowd is fickle...the cowboy six shooter is still around witness all the sales Ruger has of their single action revolvers.
 
That's why I ended up with a .40 S&W PX4 Compact. Chicago law at the time was 12 rounds max, and the Beretta PX4 Compact in .40 fit the bill perfectly. .40 Glocks of similar size held one too many in the magazine. Plus Glocks are butt ugly anyway. :p
 
The popularity of the 1911's rebirth was cemented during the AWB. It hasn't faded because of it's repeal. The AR-15's popularity was also cemented during the AWB with American society. Everyone wanted to have one because of the ban.
 
The popularity of the 1911's rebirth was cemented during the AWB.
It never died.
In some circles, it may not have been very popular, since it wasn't the "latest and greatest"; but it was still doing just fine, right up to the AWB.

Kimber's pre-split 1911s, and the exceptional fit and finish of the time, may have had a little to do with some increased sales.

...But I think the biggest factor in the latest "1911 boom" was increased interest and obtainability of concealed carry permits. Then, of course, the 100th anniversary played its own part.
 
I think the internet has more to do with the recent upsurge in 1911 interest than Bill Clinton. Same with "snake" revolvers.
 
Yup...kind of shoots a hole (pun intended) in the original posters theory...

Only if you forget that the OP also says that manufacturers began retooling the 1911 and that it is not the same gun as it once was therefor correcting several of it's deficiencies.
 
I turned 21 in 2000, so that's when I bought my first handgun. I wanted a Glock 19 or 17, but I hated the idea of only being able to buy 10-rd magazines (by 2000, pre-ban normal-capacity factory Glock mags were extremely expensive). So my first handgun was a Kimber 1911 in .45 ACP, back when they were one of the few factory-customized 1911s on the market. I've since sold that gun, but I've been a 1911 fan ever since.
 
Well during the 60s, 70s and 80s my bro in law managed to aquire over 250 colt 1911s :) they work. Bottom line
 
In the end... the 1911 market is what it is today because of Bill Clinton and the AWB. The AR-15 also is where it is today because of that. But that was more of the In the end... the 1911 market is what it is today because of Bill Clinton and the AWB. The AR-15 also is where it is today because of that. But that was more of the "If I can't have it I want it" mindset..

The "If I can't have it I want it" mindset certainly 'splains the stupidsilly-ridiculous prices on "pre-ban" high capacity magazines at that time ..... even with our inflated dollars of today, you can buy a new quality handgun with a couple of hi-cap mags for what 3 hi-cap magazines were going for then .....
 
My first centerfire pistol was a brand new Colt Government, long before I'd ever heard of Clinton.
They were very popular back then if you could find a way to afford one. They've always been expensive.
 
I actually saw in person some of the Corp's new 1911s over our AT in 29 Palms. One of the Recon guys with the grunt BN we were supporting had one on a drop leg. Wish the whole Corps would get them.
 
Well I've been in law enforcement for the last 27 years so I was able to ignore those 9 round, ten round, ring around the rosey federal magazine mandates. I started out my career with a S&W 686 with two speed loaders and of course when the high capacity wonder nine craze took over law enforcement we were forced to hang up the revolvers and go to carrying 46 rounds (15 + 15 + 16 in the gun) and still must carry semi-auto pistols. I chose a 92FS and still carry it. Funny thing is that in 27 years on the job I have never had to use that mega capacity. Trying to say I'd been just as safe wearing the 686 all these years.

Most federal crap pushed down our throats is just that (crap & pushed). One federal ruling however I am thankful for was when President Bush pushed the LEOSA through. I can be armed in all 50 states 24/7 and those stupid anti-gun states cant do a darn thing about it. I will be forever grateful to that man for that. I think every law abiding mentally stable adult aught to have the same right as the LEOSA gave to law enforcement.
 
We do have to qualify in our home jurisdiction quarterly, even after we retire.

Proof of this qualification is only required IIRC after you discharge it. To carry you need not produce it.

If I am incorrect please correct me, but this is how this old retired LEO has come to understand it.

Mel
 
The only thing I will ever "thank" Bill Clinton for is not running for president again.

And I won't thank Clinton, Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg or any of that ilk for failing to anticipate the law of unintended consequences. I might thank the stars, or the Almighty, but I certainly won't thank those politicians.

Yes, one result of banning standard capacity magazines (which they called high capacity) of over 10rnds was to encourage the production and use of smaller handguns.

And yes, interest in ARs, and other lookalikes for modern military rifles was a fairly small portion of the overall rifle market. A consistent one, but not anywhere near the major portion of rifle sales.

The demonization and subsequent restrictions & bans changed that, bigtime.

The AWB was the best salesman the AR rifle ever had, but that doesn't mean I'll be thanking the people who wrote and passed that particular piece of garbage. I won't. Other than the people who got the sunset clause included in the law, THOSE people deserve our thanks!
 
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