Yet another Beretta question regarding 92F

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mept

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The slide mod determined the designation, which is what I thought, but has any non-military types on the forum have any personal or observed experience with the slide failures of a F model?
Shooting virtually 100% target ammo what is the opinion on the risk of failure before the noted long life span of a Beretta 92F?
Is the slide interchangable with the FS slide?
Does anyone know if the gun would be upgraded by Beretta for safety/liability reasons?
Should I save the extra and just get a Border Marshal?
Does anyone know if SGN ads for M9s are of then current modified FS versions?
Thanks for the assist.
 
Any 92 in production for the last few years does indeed have the latest mod. The 92 should outlast you and have flawless performance.

CMOS

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I thought the F failures were due to the ammo used and continous fire rate of the two firearms that failed. I cannot think that target ammo or any other would cause a 92 F slide to fail. I have an older 92SB model(+ several FS and G models) and no problems what so ever. I agree with CMOS the Beretta will outlast its owner 99% of the time. There will of course always be lemons in everything. I don't know much about the Border Marshall but is that the Single Stack version or am I thinkin of the Brigadier. I would keep the 92 F as is and not worry too much about a possibility of a slide failure
 
>I don't know much about the Border Marshall >but is that the Single Stack version or am I >thinkin of the Brigadier.

The Border Marshall is a 92FS with a heavier Brig. slide, night sights, 4.7" parkerized barrel, rubber grips and special slide markings reading Border Marshall. It uses the standard pre-ban 15 rounds mags and post-ban 10 rounders. The type M is the single stack model. (I like the new stainless 92 Custom Carry II type M).
Robb
 
A FS slide will work on an F or FS frame, but an F slide will only work on a F frame.

The FS models have a notch in the slide that matches an oversize hammer pivot pin. You could put an F slide on an FS frame if you put a F pin in it; then it would be an F model frame. :)

If you break the block and keep shooting it long enough you can damage the slide; shoot the damaged slide long enough it will break too. Military blocks are avging about 15K rounds w mil-spec ammo, same as +P. With std pressure ammo, will go much longer; have seen em go over 50-100K rounds. A block costs about $50, easy to replace.

You will know when you break a block; lottsa jams or gun locks up. To check slide for damage, hang it off your finger by the dust cover and tap it w the guide rod. If it rings like a bell, hums like a tuning fork, it's OK. If it goes "clunk", it's cracked somewhere (only works for Beretta/Taurus slides). A lot easier/cheaper than magnafluxing, etc. :)

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Just change the recoil spring every few thousand rounds and don't put ammo through it that is only meant for machine guns and you'll be fine. Also, if you shoot +P or +P+ it will wear quicker and is harder on the gun, just something to remember.

The only reason to me to wait and get the Border Marshall is if you will feel more comfortable shooting it as opposed to a standard 92 or you just like the features it has..........
 
Install a 19# Wolf recoil spring and shoot all the NATO ammo you can afford. The only slide failures were on the early military guns that a contractor over hardened. No commercial slides have failed. Ted Nugent ran 100,000 rds through one before swapping barrels and locking block. henry
 
Military guns did break w good ammo as low as 2000 rounds. Commercial/civilian guns have broke slides too BTW.

Testing by US Army lab, all twelve guns
shot to slide cracking (no replacement of parts, etc., along the
way):

1 -- 2/08/88; 6,007 rounds; M9
2 -- 3/10/88; 4,908 rounds; M9
3 -- 3/14/88; 17,408 rounds; 92SB-F
4 -- 3/16/88; 21,264 rounds; 92F
5 -- 3/17/88; 24,656 rounds; 92F
6 -- 3/17/88; 7,806 rounds; M9
7 -- 5/23/88; 21,942 rounds; M9
8 -- 5/26/88; 21,486 rounds; M9
9 -- 6/22/88; 23,310 rounds; M9
10 -- 7/14/88; 30,083 rounds; M9
11 -- 8/18/88; 30,545 rounds; M9
12 -- 8/25/88; 27,684 rounds; M9

You will note that the commercial version guns all went 17k+ rounds, while the three outliers at significantly less than 10k
rounds were M9s ... this may lend credence to the oft-cited report that some unusual metallurgy was involved in
some of the early production M9 guns.

Altogether, the average was 19,758 rounds before slide destruction. Remove the three outliers and the average becomes
24,264 rounds. Note also that these tests were conducted years before the second-generation ("new") locking blocks were first
produced.

Latest T&E shows a MRBF of over 30K, service life of frame at over 35K, slide over 70K, blocks over 15K w mil-spec ammo (same as SAAMI +P).

Don't worry about it. It's a great pistol.

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