yeeeehaaaaa, Ga Gunowners are on the offensive....

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Yo, Go Bobby :-)
We're on the offensive :-) Yeeeeeehhaaaaaaaa
Also have one to expand carry in car without a permission slip: HB144, has a good chance of passing the house.......

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Title: Firearms; eliminate victim disarmament zones
Summary: A BILL to amend Part 3 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to carrying and possession of firearms, so as to eliminate victim disarmament zones; to change the provisions relating to the offense of carrying a deadly weapon to or at a public gathering; and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Franklin, Robert

Status Summary:
HC: PUB SAF
SC:
LA: 01/31/2001 House Second Readers


Bill History:
01/30/2001 House First Readers
01/31/2001 House Second Readers



-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Weingarten <isher@SPRYNET.COM>
To: AZRKBA@asu.edu <AZRKBA@asu.edu>
Date: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:51 PM
Subject: Incrementalism in Georgia


>02/06/2001 18:19:13 PST by Gig
>
>
>
>There is a bill in the Georgia Legislature, House of Representatives that
>dramatically improves a Georgian's right to self-protection. This bill
>modifies the current concealed carry law by ALLOWING law-abiding, duly
>licensed gun owners to carry their protection, be it gun or knife, in a
>concealed manner INTO or ABOUT "PUBLIC GATHERINGS." The current law
>effectively nullifies the concealed carry law in Georgia by prohibiting the
>carrying of any weapon in areas deemed to be a PUBLIC GATHERING (as
>described in the bill below). The underlined portion of the bill below are
>the additions to the law which modifies one's ability to carry a concealed
>weapon in areas such as sporting events, church functions, restaurants
>serving alcohol, etc.
>
>Georgians, if you are concerned about your right to self-protection, then
>contact your appropriate state Representative or Senator and let them know
>how you feel.
>
>The bill is currently under consideration in the House Public Safety
>Committee where it could die if not recommended to the full House.
 
TWO Pro gun bills in the Ga. legislation now.

Contact your state reps on BOTH NOW!

1) HB 304 - Firearms; eliminate victim disarmament zones

Franklin, Robert (R-039) Coan, Michael (R-082) Massey, Warren (R-086)
Joyce, Brian (R-001)
Full Text
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/Legis/2001_02/fulltext/hb304.htm
(PDF) HC: PUB SAF SC: 01/31/2001 House Second Readers

First Reader Summary
A BILL to amend Part 3 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to carrying and possession of firearms, so as to eliminate victim disarmament zones; to change the provisions relating to the offense of carrying a deadly weapon to or at a public gathering; and for other purposes.

Code Sections Amended

Bill History
Date Action
01/31/2001 House Second Readers
01/30/2001 House First Readers

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2) HB 144 - Loaded firearms in private motor vehicles; authorize

Joyce, Brian (R-001) Powell, Alan (D-023) Davis, J. Max (R-060)
Massey, Warren (R-086) Day, C. Burke (R-153) Forster, Ronald (R-003)
Full Text
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/Legis/2001_02/fulltext/hb144.htm

(PDF) HC: S JUDY SC: 01/23/2001 House Second Readers

First Reader Summary
A BILL to amend Code Section 16-11-126 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the offense of carrying a concealed weapon, so as to provide that the provisions of said Code section shall not forbid any person who is not among those enumerated as ineligible for a license under Code Section 16-11-129 from transporting a loaded firearm in any private passenger motor vehicle; to repeal certain provisions relating to the authorization of a person with a valid permit issued pursuant to Code Section 16-11-129 to carry a handgun in any location in a motor vehicle; and for other purposes.

Code Sections Amended

Bill History
Date Action
01/23/2001 House Second Readers
01/12/2001 House First Readers

HB 144 has a GOOD chance of passing the house......

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Although...

...I never really felt constrained in a state that let me toss a loaded pistol on the front seat or in the glovebox even before I had a toter's permit, it's nice to know that you can put it under the seat without being a criminal, now too. ;)
 
I'll call up my representatives and state senators pronto.

I've got a question about our current law, though. The Augusta Chronicle ran a fairly even handed story on concealed carry locally a few days ago. It did focus on business owners rather than us commoners, though. The article made one statement that I questioned: It related the management of the Augusta Mall banning taxi cab drivers with permits from their property. I know that in South Carolina a business may place a sign "Concealed weapons prohibited" which makes your permit null and void. However, I was under the impression in Georgia that there was no such provision and that all areas prohibited to carry were set exclusively by the Georgia legislature. Who's right?

If I am then I plan to write a letter to the editor of the Augusta chronicle.
 
My understanding is that the business can post the sign; you can feel free to ignore it. If they find you're carrying, they can ask you to leave (you probably didn't want to do business there anyway).
 
I have - I can't think of the name of the store, but it's a little knick-knack store in a strip shopping center with a Kroger (I think) and a sports bar on 120 in Cobb Co. around Lost Mountain (between Kennesaw & Dallas).

When I saw it, I nearly busted out laughing.
 
personally,

I like the concealed part ( element of surprise) but I dispise having to ask and pay the government to exercise a basic fundamental human RIGHT!
 
I think you're right JimR,

I'll check and make sure.....Only Place in Ga, I've seen signs are at most Waffle Houses..... guess what? we carry anyway. I've worn my politically incorrect pro gun shirts in there and they haven't said anything. Only place I dont carry are those with metal detectors..... Main reason I like concealed carry.... hey, whayt thy don't won't hurt anybody.... less of course some nut case comes in and starts trouble :) then hopefully they'll be glad someone was there to stop it, maybe.

Oatka, if that's all that going on the offensive does, is keep the anti's so busy fighting us they don't have time to think about pushing their anti freedom BS on us, it'll be worth it..... to me anyway..... Getting them actually passed is a "good side benefit :D
 
Hmmm. Either we patronize different Waffle Houses entirely or I am not very observant. I've never seen such a sign and would tell them that the state legislature regulates where you can and cannot carry in Georgia. I have seen signs at a few gun stores saying something about not bringing loading weapons into the store. I get a clerk's attention and get him to the door and inform him that I am carrying a loaded weapon and intend to continue-would he prefer that I take my
business elsewhere? So far they tell me to come on in.
 
not on the front door of waffle houses

look on the inside wall ususlly over where the cook is
small sign "firearms nopt allowed on these premises

funnt thing hapened at one of the ones I go to ... the one on brockett/cooledge rd in Clarkston
They got hed up one day, an off duty clarkston police officer was in there..... The robbers got away on foot.....
 
GA HB 304

Sect I excerpt:

"... a person is guilty of a misdemeanor when he or she carries to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense and defense; provided, however, that the provisions of this subsection shall not apply to a person who carries a firearm or knife to or while at a public gathering if such person is licensed to carry a pistol or revolver pursuant to the provisions of Code Section 16-11-129."

Sect II:

"All laws and parts of laws in conflict with this Act are repealed."

'Gotta love it. Now let's try to make it happen.
 
Spartacus, got an answer to your question

"I've got a question about our current law, though. The Augusta Chronicle ran a fairly even handed story on concealed carry locally a few days ago. It did focus on business owners rather than us commoners, though. The article made one statement that I questioned: It related the management of the Augusta Mall banning taxi cab drivers with permits from their property. I know that in South Carolina a business may place a sign "Concealed weapons prohibited" which makes your permit null and void. However, I was under the impression in Georgia that there was no such provision and that all areas prohibited to carry were set exclusively by the Georgia legislature. Who's right?"



From Rep Warren Massey R-86, one of our guys :D



-----Original Message-----
From: RepMassey@aol.com <RepMassey@aol.com>
To: sw357mag@mindspring.com <sw357mag@mindspring.com>
Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: question about Ga's Current Law


>The legislature is the sole maker of laws. If SouthCarolina has that
>restriction it is because the s.c. legislature passed it. Georgia has no such
>law.
 
WAGCEVP...

If the metal detector folks don't have a sign AND if you have an ED ("electronic") discharge due to the detector then... (fill in any blank you want).

Machines, whether pistols or metal detactors can go sour, no? Wonder how an ED would go over?!
 
The ambiguity that exists does need to be made clear. I have had several conversations with local detectives about carrying in Wal-Mart, etc. Their answer is always, "Well, if you're concealed, what difference does it make?" Duh. An unsatisfactory answer, for sure.

I have always used this rule for myself: I carry everywhere except onto federal property and into the courthouse and it's annexes. Why? Metal detectors and propellant sniffing K-9s. The Wal-Marts and K-Marts have to tell me they don't want me to carry. Then I will leave, but not after advising them that they should post the establishment with their wishes. It hasn't happened yet.

Georgia has very strict laws concerning private property and what constitutes trespassing. Behavior on private property, not in consonance with the owners stated wishes can fall under trespassing. Is a retail store a "public gathering" or is it "private property"? It is considered private property for purposes of carrying. The "owner/leaser" makes the call. They hold the liability.
 
The state DA says a "public gathering" is a planned, organized event. Shopping does not count. A football game, public hearing, etc., etc. does.

Also, if I read that correctly, it's still a felony to carry concealed in state owned buildings.
 
I live in GA also. A couple co-workers and myself tried to figure out what the rules were that came with our ccw permits, we couldn't figure it out. The cops probably can't either. On my way home from work I take my pistol out of my glovebox and put it on my seat. I hope I'm not breaking the law.

I wonder what would happen if one was in a restaraunt and a CCW person stopped a nutcase from killing everyone. I'm betting that the pacifists whose a$$ they saved would complain about the gunowner. How can the legal gunowner use his or her weapon in self defense and not get charged with a crime, unless they are in their home?!? I myself would probably wait till I myself were in danger before I use my weapon. Of course if/when the shtf who knows what one would do. In the past I've had to brandish my firearm, at home, on a couple occasions, but didn't kill anyone. I would really hate to have to do it but I live in Sav. ga and the gangstas have been pretty busy lately. We have a democratic mayor and many new pacifists moving here. Everytime there is a murder they say how a victim "should never resist" and wonder why the crime excalates. We hired a lot of new cops and they are busy cracking down on DUI's and art receptions (there was an art reception a few weeks ago that was busted by the cops, they called for backup and confiscated a couple bottles of wine).
On a positive note, one of those Korean fellas capped a thug who was robbing and beating up his father. He hasn't been charged with anything, not yet anyway.
 
If you have a pistol permit in Ga you can carry a loaded firearm anywhere in your car you want. If you don't have a permit you can carry a loaded firearm in certain places in your car such as the glovebox. A business that posts a "No firearms allowed" sign can only do so as a company rule. This is not a law. The most they can do to violators is ask them to leave. Or if you are an employee they can fire you. Certain places such as government offices are off limits to carry by law. If you come to Ga and don't own a firearm just ask and someone will let you BORROW ONE! Yall come back now yhear!
 
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