Write the NRA about HR 2640, the Veterans Disarmament Act

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Here is a copy of the letter I sent to the NRA, please do the same. Let them know where we stand.



I have been an NRA member for many years.

I am appalled that the NRA is supporting HR 2640, the Veterans Disarmament Act, and that's what it is and more dispite what it is written by Larry Scott. The NRA should know better than any organization that once the thin edge of the wedge is in, there will be no stopping the likes of Schumer et. al. in finding new and creative ways to deprive us of our 2nd amendment rights.

How can you possibly justify allying yourself with that ilk. The liberal media will have a a field day over the alliance formed by the NRA and the anti-gun members of congress.

With upcoming presendential election, and the slim chances of a pro, or even neutral executive, do you think it is really a good time to give in to the anti-gun crowd.

If the NRA continues to support this amendment (HR 2640), than you can count on losing a large number of you members, including me. In the past, I have resisted joining smaller pro gun groups (GOA, JPFO), because I believe that in unity and numbers, there is strength. When the premier pro 2nd A. organization starts cozying up with the premier anti-gun members of congress, it's time for a change. ALL of my friends, NRA members and not, agree with me on this issue. Mark my words, this will be a severe blow to the NRA.

Most NRA members are probably too busy these days to follow these issues, but as someone who has a lot of time to follow important issues that affect all of my rights, you can be sure that I have researched this issue in depth.

Back away from you support of HR2640 unless you want to cause upheaval in the rank and file membership.

Best regards,
 
Found this. You decide.



An Open Letter To The Pro-gun Community
Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102
Springfield, VA 22151
(703)321-8585


Thursday, October 4, 2007



It may be a cliche, but it is true: This letter is written not in anger, but in sorrow and concern. It is written to our friends about NRA staff who, tragically, have taken a course which, we believe, would be disastrous for the Second Amendment and the pro-gun movement.
Two of us are Life Members of the NRA -- one of whom was an NRA board member for over ten years. And our legislative counsel was a paid consultant for the NRA.

So we certainly have no animus against the NRA staff, much less our wonderful friends who are NRA members.

In fact, over the last thirty years, GOA and its staff have worked with NRA to facilitate most of our pro-gun victories -- from McClure-Volkmer to the death of post-Columbine gun control to a gun liability bill free of anti-gun "killer amendments."

But those who staff the NRA, without consulting the membership, have now made a series of strange and dangerous alliances with the likes of Chuck Schumer, Carolyn McCarthy, and Pat Leahy. And we believe that, if allowed to continue, this will produce anti-gun policies which the NRA staff will bitterly regret.

Christ said, in the Sermon on the Mount, that "by their fruits, ye shall know them." And, frankly, these fruits are not likely to produce much pro-gun legislation.

Substantively, the Leahy/McCarthy/Schumer bill, which NRA's staff has vigorously supported without consulting with its membership, would rubber-stamp the illegal and non-statutory BATFE regulations which have already been used to strip gun rights from 110,000 veterans. It would also allow an anti-gun administration to turn over Americans' most private medical records to the federal instant check system without a court order.

But perhaps even worse, the bill was hatched in secret, without hearings or testimony, and passed out of the House without even a roll call. And now, the sponsors are trying to do the same thing in the Senate -- in an effort to ram the bill through without votes or floor debate, led by anti-gun Senator Chuck Schumer. If it is good legislation, as its proponents claim, why such fears of a roll call vote or debate in committee?

Indeed, in the face of horrific dissent from the NRA's own membership, its staff has tragically ignored arguments and dug in its heels -- in an almost "because-we-say-so" attitude.

Understand this:

* Passage of McCarthy/Leahy/Schumer will not quell the calls for gun control. To the contrary, it will embolden our enemies to push for the abolition of even more of our Second Amendment rights. Already, the Brady Campaign has indicated its intent to follow up this "victory" with a push for an effective ban on gun shows.

* Passage of McCarthy/Leahy/Schumer will not be viewed as an "NRA victory." To the contrary, once the liberal media has used the NRA staff for its purposes, it will throw them away like a used Kleenex. Already, an over-confident press is crowing that this is the "first major gun control measure in over a decade."

* Taking the BATFE's horrifically expansive unlawful regulations dealing with veterans' loss of gun rights and making them unchangeable congressionally-endorsed statutory law is NOT "maintaining the status quo."

* We are told that the McCarthy/Leahy/Schumer bill should be passed because it contains special provisions to allow persons prohibited from owning guns to get their rights restored. But there is already such a provision in the law; it is 18 U.S.C. 925(c). And the reason why no one has been able to get their rights restored under CURRENT LAW is that funds for the system have been blocked by Chuck Schumer. It is no favor to gun owners for Chuck Schumer -- the man who has blocked funding for McClure-Volkmer's "relief from disability" provisions for 15 years -- to now offer to give us back a tepid version of the provisions of current law which he has tried so hard to destroy.

Finally, there is the cost, which ranges from $1 billion in the cheapest draft to $5 billion -- to one bill which places no limits whatsoever on spending. Thus, we would be drastically increasing funding for gun control -- at a time when BATFE, which has done so much damage to the Second Amendment, should be punished, rather than rewarded.

We would now respectfully ask the NRA staff to step back from a battle with its membership -- and to join with us in opposing McCarthy/Leahy/Schumer gun control, rather than supporting it.

And, to our friends and NRA members, we would ask that you take this letter and pass it onto your friends and colleagues.

Sincerely,




Senator H.L. "Bill" Richardson (ret.)
Founder and Chairman

Larry Pratt
Executive Director

Michael E. Hammond
Legislative Counsel
 
We lost the NRA as a "Pro Firearms" organazation years ago. When they started talking about compromising with Anti-Gun politicians they lost me as a member. GOA and JPFO are about the only groups that have really taken a stand with gun owners. Until we can overturn ALL of the Anti-Gun laws that have been passed back to and including the NFA of '34 we'll never be able to really fully enjoy our 2nd Amend. Rights.
 
Now is the Veterans Disarmament Act the actual title of the Bill? Is this another GOA freakazoid thread? Havent we seen this before? Should I hit the report button?


WildyepAlaska ™
 
Now is the Veterans Disarmament Act the actual title of the Bill? Is this another GOA freakazoid thread? Havent we seen this before? Should I hit the report button?

It is another case of "Larry Pratt Teenie Weenie Syndrome."

Seriously, doesn't he have anything better to do? What is he doing to restore the rights to vets who have lost their gun rights do to PTSD? NOTHING. He is doing nothing because he is incapbable of getting anything done.

The NRA stepped to the plate right after the VT tragedy and has defused the anti arguments, stolen their thunder, and is supporting legislation that has a method to restore rights that have been removed with NO METHOD TO RETURN THEM.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=219&issue=018

Background Checks/ NICS
H.R. 2640, the "NICS Improvement Amendments Act"

The new version of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act (H.R. 2640) would require federal agencies to provide records of prohibited individuals for use in NICS. It would also provide financial incentives to states to do the same, by rewarding states that provide records to NICS and penalizing those that refuse to do so over an extended period of time.

Some pro-gun groups have claimed that H.R. 2640 would “prohibit” thousands of people from owning guns. This is not true; these bills would only enforce current prohibitions. In fact, H.R. 2640 would allow some people now unfairly prohibited from owning guns to have their rights restored, and to have their names removed from the instant check system.

The following are the key provisions of H.R. 2640, introduced by Reps. John Dingell (D-Mich.), Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) and Rick Boucher (D-Va.), which passed the House of Representatives by a voice vote on June 13, 2007.

Key Provisions of H.R. 2640

H.R. 2640 would prevent use of federal “adjudications” that consist only of medical diagnoses without findings that the people involved are dangerous or mentally incompetent.
For example, NICS currently accepts Veterans' Administration decisions that a veteran or other beneficiary is an “adjudicated mental defective” where there was no “adjudication” at all--only a decision that the patient is unable to manage his own finances. Many patients may have accepted such a decision without expecting to lose their gun ownership rights.
H.R. 2640 would eliminate purely medical records from NICS. Gun ownership rights would only be lost as a result of a finding that the person is a danger to himself or others, or lacks the capacity to manage his own affairs.

H.R. 2640 would require all federal agencies that impose mental health adjudications or commitments (such as the VA) to provide a process for “relief from disabilities.” The bill allows de novo judicial review when an agency denies relief--that is, the court would look at the application on its merits, rather than deferring to the agency's earlier decision.
As a practical matter, the mental health disability is the only firearm disqualifier that can never be removed. Criminal records can be expunged or pardoned, but mental records cannot.
While BATFE used to have the ability to accept applications to remove individuals' prohibited status, appropriations riders every year since 1992 have barred it from doing so. Allowing this process through H.R. 2640 would be an improvement over the current law.
Under H.R. 2640, even if a person is inappropriately committed or declared incompetent by a federal agency, the person would have an opportunity to correct the error--either through the agency or in court.

H.R. 2640 would prevent reporting of mental adjudications or commitments by federal agencies when those adjudications or commitments have been removed.

H.R. 2640 would also make clear that if a federal adjudication or commitment has expired or been removed, it would no longer bar a person from possessing or receiving firearms under the Gun Control Act.
This actually restores the person's rights, as well as deleting the record from NICS--a significant improvement over current law.

States that receive funding would also need to have a relief from disabilities program for mental adjudications and commitments. State relief programs would have to provide for de novo judicial review, as in the federal programs.
Relief granted by a state program would remove the federal prohibition on the person possessing or receiving a firearm under the Gun Control Act--again, an improvement over current law.
Many states have processes for temporary emergency commitments that allow a short-term commitment based only on affidavits from police, doctors or family members, without opportunity for a hearing. Because federal law prohibits gun possession by a person who “has been” committed, a person committed under such a process can't possess a gun even after full release from the temporary order. By requiring participating states to have a relief program that actually removes the disability, H.R. 2640 would be a significant improvement over current law.

The legislation would improve the accuracy and completeness of NICS by requiring federal agencies and participating states to provide relevant records. For instance, it would give states an incentive to report people such as Virginia Tech murderer Seung-Hui Cho--that is, people who were found after a full court hearing to be a danger to themselves or others, but not reported to NICS due to lack of funding or contrary state laws.

The legislation requires removal of expired, incorrect or otherwise irrelevant records. Today, totally innocent people (e.g., individuals with arrest records, who were never convicted of the crime charged) are sometimes subject to delayed or denied firearm purchases because of incomplete records in the system.

The legislation prohibits federal fees for NICS checks. Under current law, only annual appropriations riders prohibit the FBI from trying to impose fees by regulation (as the Clinton Administration proposed in 1998). A permanent ban on such a “gun tax” has been an NRA priority for nearly a decade.

The legislation requires an audit by the Government Accountability Office of funds already spent for criminal history improvements. There has only been limited documentation of how hundreds of millions of dollars intended for NICS were spent on non-NICS programs such as automated fingerprint systems.
Voluntary Psychological Treatment

Neither current federal law, nor H.R. 2640, would prohibit gun possession by people who have voluntarily sought psychological counseling or checked themselves into a hospital:

Current law only prohibits gun possession by people who have been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to any mental institution.” Current BATFE regulations specifically exclude commitments for observation and voluntary commitments. Records of voluntary treatment also would not be available under federal and state health privacy laws.

Similarly, voluntary drug or alcohol treatment would not be reported to NICS. First, voluntary treatment is not a “commitment.” Second, current federal law on gun possession by drug users, as applied in BATFE regulations, only prohibits gun ownership by those whose “unlawful [drug] use has occurred recently enough to indicate that the individual is actively engaged in such conduct.”

In short, neither current law nor this legislation would affect those who voluntarily get psychological help. No person who needs help for a mental health or substance abuse problem should be deterred from seeking that help due to fear of losing Second Amendment rights.


Posted: 6/13/2007 12:00:00 AM

I used to think Pratt actually had a purity of purpose, although he was utterly incapable of achieveing any goals in Washington. Now I more and more think Pratt simply wants to be heard, like Schumer trampling children to get in front of a camera. The man simply wants more money sent to his organization and to inflate his own importance.
 
The NRA stepped to the plate right after the VT tragedy and has defused the anti arguments, stolen their thunder, and is supporting legislation that has a method to restore rights that have been removed with NO METHOD TO RETURN THEM.

If those veterans can prove a pair of negatives to a panel set up by the very agency that first stripped their rights away.

I don't see that to be worth devoting 120,000,000 dollars to getting more mental health records put in place.
 
Right now those vets CAN'T get any rights returned. It isn't happenning.

In spotted and committed as a danger and should have already been prevented from legally purchasing guns from doing so is a GOOD THING. As long as there is a mechanism for the restoration of rights I see no problem in enacting funding and legislation to fix the problem that let someone like Cho purchase weapons through legal means.

There is an option though... the NRA could sit on their backsides and have let the momentum build behind the antis. Legislation could have been assembled and forwarded strictly by the antis with every possible nasty booby trap hidden within. The NRA would then be in the position of "opposing legislation that would prevent commited violent sociopaths from buying guns." Being on the wrong side of such legislation PR wise would be a disaster. It WOULD pass. As it is the anti groups are pretty livid that they did not formulate this legislation and get their own goodies into it before the NRA legislation had already taken the stage.

In this particular case Larry Pratt is HCI's best friend! They would LOVE to see this legislation beaten from within the 2A movement. They could then point to how the NRA had stopped the legislation and then at a later point introduce their own truly hideous legislation.

If you want to help HCI then by all means do as Pratt asks.
 
TABING, I am getting real tired of saying the same thing, over and over to those of you that are drinking the GOA's Kool-Aid.

Read the Freaking Bill. Quit taking the word of others for what it supposedly says. It (the bill) does not do a thing that the GOA says it does.

While you are reading stuff, read this and this.

Then do a search (HR 2640). There are already open topics on this issue. Use one of those to make further comments. As it is, this thread is simply a duplicate of several others.
 
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