wow,this women said it best...

Well, just as we have watched our government brainwash average citizens against the idea of gun ownership, the people of the Middle East have had 700 years of brainwashing about the evils of everything except Islam. Not only are we evil (in their eyes) but when individual Muslims are killed in their attempt to "convert" us they acheive instant martyrdom. If we take a good look at the conditions under which they have lived these past 700 years it isn't difficult to understand why martyrdom looks so good to them. The Mullahs have, over the generations, built a society that glorifies death rather than life.
 
simplification

that interview/discourse simplifies issues based on my understanding. However, it's not the only time.

For example, Ottoman Empire and Islamic society before that tried to emulate Western military superiority by buying Western military weapons and establishing factories in their countries.

Have you ever watched the movie classic Lawrence of Arabia? At the end, British regained control because the Arabs were not able to maintain the infrastructure of a modern society.

Here is something interesting to think about. The same Moslem people when they come to live and work in U.S. become economically productive whereas, they lived in poverty in their home countries.

Some good resource:

1. "What Went Wrong?" by Bernard Lewis as to what went wrong with Islam
2. "The Victory of Reason" by Stark as to why Christian West did well
3. dvd "Islam: what the West needs to know" www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com
4. dvd "Obsession" www.obsessionthemovie.com
5. dvd "Death in Gaza"

--John
 
Not that she is wrong about her assessment of Muslims but I will add, that we (the modern west) are not as civilized as we think we are. The rest of the world doesn't see America (and Britain and the rest of Europe) the way we see ourselves. We are the ones going around the world bombing whole cities, hospitals, schools, churches, whole countries and people within in order to "trample out the grapes of wrath" and "bring freedom to the world." We are the ones that rip babies from the wombs and slaughter them. We are the ones that legally let the likes of Rosie O'Donnell and her "significant other" adopt orphaned or abandoned children. We are the ones that legally let two men who want to share human waste with each other adopt children. We are the ones that brutalize women by portraying them as the same as men and/or as nothing more than sexual objects for perverted fun in our movies, television and other forms of entertainment. We are the ones that strip search them (even the old ones in wheelchairs) in airports. We are the ones that send them into combat with them men to get blown away. No truly civilized country does these things. Such was not the policy of the Christan West in any large scale prior to late 19th century. Many Arabs see us as "the great Satan." They are not all together wrong in that assessment.
In that sense, we are worse than the muslims. And some of the people who advocate above said things like to call themselves Christians (not in my book...at least it isn't Christian behavior that advocates Total Warfare). The only difference between us and the Muslims is we do it on a larger scale and we do it in the name of "Freedom and Democracy" and even (blasphemously) in the name of God. They do it in the name of Allah and/or of a hatred of what we do (at least that part is understandable)

This is not to tear down the men over in Afgahnistan and Iraq doing what they are told and in many cases dying. But it it is mean't to tear down the horrible policys that the we have been implementing over the past 100+ years
 
This is not to tear down the men over in Afgahnistan and Iraq doing what they are told and in many cases dying
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Last I heard, a draft has not been imposed. All our servicemen and women are in a voluntary military. Most, despite what the MSM portrays, believe in what they are doing. Essentailly, you are saying that our military is allowing themselves to be led to a slaughter, simply following orders. BS! The folks that I still keep in touch with, that I led or followed, greatly believe in what they are doing, and despise comments like yours.

But it it is mean't to tear down the horrible policys that the we have been implementing over the past 100+ years
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Oh, you mean:
- WWI: helped save Europe
- WWII: saved Europe, N. Africa, China, Australia, Philippines
- Korea: Drove out an invading army
- Vietnam: came to the aid of an ally
- Lebanon: Attempted to establish peace in a splitting country
- 1st Gulf War: Drove out an invading army
- Somalia: Attempted to save millions of people from starvation
- Bosnia: Ended the same ethinic cleansing that occured during WWII
- 2nd Gulf War: Finished the job of Gulf War I and ousted a dictator

Yeah, the USA has been really horrible.
 
When the military freezes you from getting out, it is, for all intents and purposes, a DRAFT. If they refuse to let you go even though your contract has expired, they are willfully holding you against your will. That is a DRAFT. My career field was frozen during the first Iraqi conflict and I was scheduled to go the following month. They lifted the freez about 20 days before expiration.

Have a great Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Doug said:
We are the ones that send [women] into combat with them men to get blown away.
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Do we really? That's ridiculous!

That makes me so upset that I vow to join you in a Crusade to rid the military of women slaves who are forced to participate in combat, and bring their captors to Justice!!!

What?
What's that?
They do?
These women join the military by choice?
You mean they WANT to be there?!!!

Well crap. That kinda spoils my indignation.

Seriously, Doug. Put the Bible down and think before you type.
 
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women should not be in combat. Voluntarily or otherwise. As a society we should not allow it or encourage it. They have physical and psychological differences. Any doctor will tell you this. The only reason they are in now is because of political correctness and pressure from feminist groups. Those who think they "can do anything a man can do" are just fooling themselves and are going to get somebody hurt or killed.

Ask yourself the obvious question. If you heard a breakin one night, would you let your wife go downstairs to investigate while you stayed upstairs in the bed and waited to call the police? I for one like to keep chivalry alive (not out of "chavinism" but out of respect for women) Turn off the TV before you type. Life is not a silly "kick-a--" woman action movie

Here's the reality of the matter:
http://www.pointofview.net/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID320166|CHID706734|CIID1705898,00.html

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/kirkwood3.html

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23886
 
Says who?

War now a days is not the physical hand-to-hand battle of yester-millennia. I'd wager just about any woman could master the weaponry and tactics to compete with the likes of you on today’s battlefield.

Thusly, I'd have no problem stepping on to the streets of Baghdad with one of these female soldiers watching my six.

Your opinion on this particular subject is chivalry-based, and consequently you think it's automatically right. There’s where you lose:

Doug said:
I for one like to keep chivalry alive (not out of "chavinism" but out of respect for women)
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So you'd respect these female soldiers by forcing them to obey your idea of how the world should work. You'd be doing it for their own good I assume? Hmm. Interesting. :rolleyes:
 
KenpoProfessor,

When I was in Basic Training in the late 1960s (and even later on in my military service), and doing things like painting rocks, raking gravel, buffing floors, 14 hours straight of KP and other such "skilled" military labor, I noted it was much like being a slave (you couldn't quit and go home)...well, not quite a slave I guess because I think I was being paid about 10 cents an hour for my service to my country back then.

But I agree that keeping people in against their will when their time is supposed to be up is unAmerican (unlike the Revolutionary War days when soldiers had contracts of service). Bush and all just won't admit that the "Volunteer Army" isn't working and we need LOTS MORE BODIES in uniform for what we face in the world NOW and what we might face in the future (serious multiple commitments at the same time all over the globe)...that means using the "D" word...the Draft.

I'm all for it.

How about Paris Hilton as a Private Benjamin?

And all the wimpy liberal anti-gun "males" getting some field and weapons training?

Sounds good to me.

-- John D.

P.S. I am also against women in combat...it is secular-humanist/Progressive PC nowadays but it's still HIGHLY unAmerican and unChristian. Period. Along with old men (like me), boys and girls, war-dogs and war-cats (?), women would be the last resort defense...the "American Volksturm" if you will. No combat role otherwise.
-- JD
 
Last I heard, a draft has not been imposed. All our servicemen and women are in a voluntary military. Most, despite what the MSM portrays, believe in what they are doing. Essentailly, you are saying that our military is allowing themselves to be led to a slaughter, simply following orders. BS! The folks that I still keep in touch with, that I led or followed, greatly believe in what they are doing, and despise comments like yours.
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I'm sure they do. But they are still dying as a result of our policy of believing we are to be the world's policeman. They are dying stiring up a hornets nest. There is no clear cause to fight for. They are doing their jobs, doing what they are told, I don't fault them for that.

Oh, you mean:
- WWI: helped save Europe
- WWII: saved Europe, N. Africa, China, Australia, Philippines
- Korea: Drove out an invading army
- Vietnam: came to the aid of an ally
- Lebanon: Attempted to establish peace in a splitting country
- 1st Gulf War: Drove out an invading army
- Somalia: Attempted to save millions of people from starvation
- Bosnia: Ended the same ethinic cleansing that occured during WWII
- 2nd Gulf War: Finished the job of Gulf War I and ousted a dictator
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None of those wars were any of our business. The one semi-exception I would make is WW2 as Japan attacked us and Germany declared war on us. And the only reason Japan attacked is because they were pressured to by our overseas political policys in the Orient.
All of those wars caused more problems and stirred more people up against us and worse than that got thousands of men killed for the United States governent's political game.

And no, I am not a liberal or some left wing media hippie. I am a stanch conservative (not neoconservative) who believes in limited government and a noninterventionist foreign policy as George Washington did.
 
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Well, I think men instinctively engage in mortal combat. They've been doing it pretty continuously for as long as humans, pre-human hominids, and pre-human pongids have existed.


Women, on the other hand, don't appear to have any instinct for mortal combat. Sometimes, they will fight to defend themselves against immediate threats, but even when cornered and directly threatened, they often don't have the heart to inflict injuries.


Putting women in combat seems like a bad idea. But they're all volunteers. If you want to do a man's job, do it well (or just get pregnant and get a desk job).
 
I'm happy to see a Middle Eastern woman standing up for herself by choosing to practice her own beliefs but she doesn't know too much of the history of her own region. When she speaks of the Jews, apparently she has never heard of Menachem Begin and the Irgun, who I would say played a pretty integral part in the establishment of Israel by using "guerilla" tactics, or what some might call terrorist acts, such as the bombing of the King David in Jerusalem, killing Arabs, Jews, and British people all the same...

That video (although I don't know how authentic it is) is a good microcosm of exactly how many people think in that region. Here that woman is asserting her own beliefs and saying how it won't bother her what anyone else believes in as long as it isn't forced upon her and the man interviewing her immediately displays a "our way or no way attitude". Not word for word but, "you are a blasphemer, so anything you say is irrelevant."

Having been over there, I would agree in what she says about what kind of conflict it is. It still is very primitive, there is hardly any national loyalty, mainly tribal and sadly the only way for order was for a dictator with an iron fist. A democracy in that place is far far away from happening.
 
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