I really feel for these freedom-fighters in Chechnya. What principled basis can the US and other nations possibly have for turning a blind eye to the extermination of Chechnyans, but yet intervened in Kosovo? What material distinction is there? None I can see, other than Russia has more bombs to retaliate than Serbia?
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Wow! Nightline's Chechnya report was amazing last night!
- Thread starter Futo Inu
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For those that didn't see it, it was riveting. They smuggled in 3 reporters with cameras across Russian-held Chechnya into the freedom-fighters' guerilla warfare camps, and told their story, showing many weapons, showing a party going off to ambush a Russian column, showing them returning and telling of how they killed two and wounded many. They say the Russian casualties are much higher than Putin will admit, and that they'll never give up. These guys are outstanding guerilla fighters.
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Will Beararms
New member
We have no business in the Balkans and we certainly have no business in Chechnya.
The Serbs were the first to inhabit the area we know as the Balkans. They were driven from the stepps of Russia by retreating forces of the Roman Empire. They existed peacefully until the Ottoman Turks came in and took over. During this time,Some of the Serbs became Muslim and sided with the Turks turning on their own people. The some of the Serbs mixed with Germanic Peoples and the Croation people evolved. The Kosovars are basically Albanian and during WWII, they worked alongside Nazi SS units wreaking havoc, raping, robbing and pilaging the Serbian people. Tito, who was Croation by birth, took control after the war and held all of the ethnic groups at bay to maintain power. What we are seeing in the Balkans today is the result of Tito's abscence and the fact that these people do not forget as easily as we do. I hate to say it but the Kosovars have a gotten a taste of the same thing that their grandparents gave to the Serbs.
I am not Serbian and I do hate what happened to the Kosovar people. I am sick of the one-sided garbage that our media has spewed out on the American Public in favor of Kosovo. We should be ashamed of oursleves for depriving the Kosovars of the right to be armed. I feel we would be better off now if we would have allowed the Serbs and Kosovars to decide this issue for themselves.
Now, in regards to Chechnya, how would you feel if Mexico decided to take over Texas, Arizona, Colorado and Nevada? We defeated Mexcio and took this property. Likewise mother Russia took Chechnya years ago and they are not about to give up one of the most oil-rich areas of the former Soviet Union. They will level it before that happens. If Chechnya did win, you would see a more aggressive Russia moving about the world in search of oil and a warm water port.
I watched the Nightline Special and it was amazing. Be careful when you are wooed by the leftist media in this Nation. Our press is no better than the Ministry of Propaganda controlled by Joseph Goebels in Nazi Germany. America has slaughtered far more innocent lives through abortion than the Germans ever did during the final solution and the press treats abortion as if it were the same as having a tooth removed or a wart burned off. I guess if ripping a baby out of the womb and smashing the brains out of it is choice then the Holocaust was population control right?
America is not on the verge of collapse. We are in collapse. Before we start telling Russia how to run their affairs or Serbia for that matter, we need to look in the mirror. I will gladly stand beside you and defend America still today but we need to be grounded before forming opinions or making stands.
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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
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The Serbs were the first to inhabit the area we know as the Balkans. They were driven from the stepps of Russia by retreating forces of the Roman Empire. They existed peacefully until the Ottoman Turks came in and took over. During this time,Some of the Serbs became Muslim and sided with the Turks turning on their own people. The some of the Serbs mixed with Germanic Peoples and the Croation people evolved. The Kosovars are basically Albanian and during WWII, they worked alongside Nazi SS units wreaking havoc, raping, robbing and pilaging the Serbian people. Tito, who was Croation by birth, took control after the war and held all of the ethnic groups at bay to maintain power. What we are seeing in the Balkans today is the result of Tito's abscence and the fact that these people do not forget as easily as we do. I hate to say it but the Kosovars have a gotten a taste of the same thing that their grandparents gave to the Serbs.
I am not Serbian and I do hate what happened to the Kosovar people. I am sick of the one-sided garbage that our media has spewed out on the American Public in favor of Kosovo. We should be ashamed of oursleves for depriving the Kosovars of the right to be armed. I feel we would be better off now if we would have allowed the Serbs and Kosovars to decide this issue for themselves.
Now, in regards to Chechnya, how would you feel if Mexico decided to take over Texas, Arizona, Colorado and Nevada? We defeated Mexcio and took this property. Likewise mother Russia took Chechnya years ago and they are not about to give up one of the most oil-rich areas of the former Soviet Union. They will level it before that happens. If Chechnya did win, you would see a more aggressive Russia moving about the world in search of oil and a warm water port.
I watched the Nightline Special and it was amazing. Be careful when you are wooed by the leftist media in this Nation. Our press is no better than the Ministry of Propaganda controlled by Joseph Goebels in Nazi Germany. America has slaughtered far more innocent lives through abortion than the Germans ever did during the final solution and the press treats abortion as if it were the same as having a tooth removed or a wart burned off. I guess if ripping a baby out of the womb and smashing the brains out of it is choice then the Holocaust was population control right?
America is not on the verge of collapse. We are in collapse. Before we start telling Russia how to run their affairs or Serbia for that matter, we need to look in the mirror. I will gladly stand beside you and defend America still today but we need to be grounded before forming opinions or making stands.
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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
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I don't want to get too involved in a debate so I am just gonna second the motion. Don't be fooled because of the spin put on the situation by the TV controllers. Most likely some wealthy fundamentalist Saudi paid a PR firm to get the attention of the TV news and helped infiltrate the crew and etc.
The situation in the world since the fall of the USSR has changed. Democracy may grow in Russia slowly, but it will never grow in a moslem country. They hate us and our freedoms and are plotting how to take them away even as they take advantage of it. Do you think the moslems in Chechnya are oppressed? Look at how the government of Sudan and the NIF treat religious minorities in that country.
The situation in the world since the fall of the USSR has changed. Democracy may grow in Russia slowly, but it will never grow in a moslem country. They hate us and our freedoms and are plotting how to take them away even as they take advantage of it. Do you think the moslems in Chechnya are oppressed? Look at how the government of Sudan and the NIF treat religious minorities in that country.
Will Beararms
New member
Futo:
You are dead on with the point. We using a double standard in the Balkans while draining our own resources.
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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
You are dead on with the point. We using a double standard in the Balkans while draining our own resources.
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"When guns are outlawed;I will be an outlaw."
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Futo Inu:
I didn't ask whether it's right or wrong. I asked "what is a principled distinction between them and Kosovo?". There is none.[/quote]
There are (2)two MAJOR distinctions between Kosovo, and Chechnya... Russia has nuclear weapons, and a somewhat competent, and rather large, military. US/UN is too affraid of that, so they wont lift a finger to help Chechnya! That about sums it up I believe.
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-AoW[t]-Dead [Black Ops]
I didn't ask whether it's right or wrong. I asked "what is a principled distinction between them and Kosovo?". There is none.[/quote]
There are (2)two MAJOR distinctions between Kosovo, and Chechnya... Russia has nuclear weapons, and a somewhat competent, and rather large, military. US/UN is too affraid of that, so they wont lift a finger to help Chechnya! That about sums it up I believe.
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-AoW[t]-Dead [Black Ops]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dead:
There are (2)two MAJOR distinctions between Kosovo, and Chechnya... Russia has nuclear weapons, and a somewhat competent, and rather large, military. US/UN is too affraid of that, so they wont lift a finger to help Chechnya! That about sums it up I believe.
What about Afghanistan? The US was more than happy to assist the rebels against the Russians.
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There are (2)two MAJOR distinctions between Kosovo, and Chechnya... Russia has nuclear weapons, and a somewhat competent, and rather large, military. US/UN is too affraid of that, so they wont lift a finger to help Chechnya! That about sums it up I believe.
What about Afghanistan? The US was more than happy to assist the rebels against the Russians.
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