Would you mount a light on your 1911?

mellow_c

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I just picked up a Sig Scorpion 1911 and a kydex holster that needs a TLR-1 on the gun to provide retention.

Between the safety and flicking on and off the light or using the thumb for momentary lighting I get the feeling this set up will require a good amount of practice to really get down.

So... do you or would you run a light on your 1911?

Also, if you do, upon drawing the pistol in what order do you take off the safety and turn on the light?
 
I don't have a light on my personal pistol but I do on the pistol I carry for work. I always flip the safety first. I have my light set up so I have to hold the button to keep the light on, there is no click on/off. I rarely have my light on because, while a light helps you see, it helps the bad guys see you too. And it just adds extra weight
 
Do you need to have a light at all times?

What is the intended use for this holster and pistol... There is a difference between civilian carry and duty carry use.
 
No but then again I would not mount a light to any of my guns. Not a fan. I prefer a hand held light. As a civilian I do not like the idea of having to draw a weapon and cover a "possible" target in order to use a light.
 
I wouldn't mount a light on any handgun. In fact, I try not to purchase handguns with the under rail. IMHO, he rail is ugly, awkward, clunky, and snaggy.
 
I wouldn't mount a light on any handgun. In fact, I try not to purchase handguns with the under rail. IMHO, he rail is ugly, awkward, clunky, and snaggy.

That is getting harder and harder to do these days. I used to be 100% of this mind set but these days guns like the P01/PPQ/Glock/HK45/P30/SP2022/Sig P Series etc.... the rail is almost impossible to complete avoid.
 
I have two 1911's with mounted lights. A Kimber Desert Warrior and a STI Tactical SS 9mm. They are not my daily carries however.

I like a WML for home defense, as I don't generally like having to shoot defensivily with one hand, but I know others are different. I have had the opportunity to get taught how to use a WML, and I have land where I can practice shooting with one at night, which I believe is key to using any light system, weapon mounted or hand held.

Normally I would say safety comes off first, during your draw once you are ready to extend towards the target... however that depends on the person using the light. If you are using the light to search, I would probably leave my safety on if you are untrained or unexperienced.

Personally I would keep your WML holster in case you ever want to go camping or something where you may want an extra light on the gun, but if its your daily carry I'd probably invest in a extra holster to carry just the gun.

In any case, if you are new to the platform, that is where you start first. Learn the 1911 and how to use one, than graduate into using one while manipulating the light.

I have a Glock 19 I carry daily, and I keep a WML in my nightstand drawer to put on it before I go to bed.

People will debate wether hand lights or WML's are better or worse, but at the end of the day, neither are easy to deploy sucessfully unless you train with it, and find what you are more comfortable with. I stick with pressure sensative ones such at Streamlight, Surefire, Inforce.

Some will say they never use a light... which I personally don't argree with. My take on it is for home defense.. just like a carry gun.... I would rather have it, and not need to use it, rather than need it, and not have it. Just because its on the gun or next to the gun, doesn't mean you need to use your light 100% of the time. Plus I lose power OFTEN sometimes for days in the winter because our local power company is the WORST, so I might not always have hall way lights or night lights to rely on.
 
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A light is to see what you are doing.

A gun is to shoot somebody.

Put them together, and you are in danger of getting them mixed up.



Also; a gun mounted light does a great job of saying "Here I am". :(
 
Only if an attachment rail is designed to fit my 1915 Tiffany lamp with stained glass shade. That would be stylish.
 
A light is to see what you are doing.

A gun is to shoot somebody.

Put them together, and you are in danger of getting them mixed up.



Also; a gun mounted light does a great job of saying "Here I am".


These are the typical arguments but they go both ways. Yes mistakes can and DO happen, a police officer in the past few years mistakenly shot someone when he was trying to flip on his Surefire weapon light with a tape switch. I can agree that it is possible, however, making a blanket statement like that doesn't work. The officer was using a Glock, for sake of this discussion there was no "safety" and he made the mistake of searching with his WML. As I suggested a 1911 with a WML and if you REALLY needed to search (I don't believe any of us live in homes big enough to require true search / scan techniques) you can leave you manual safety on and avoid that.

Yes I know you MAY sweep someone, that is dependant on your personal situation. I don't have others or pets in my house that will go bump in the night... if I hear something, or someone that would require me to go downstairs well...... sweeping them is the last of my worries.

As for "giving awaya your position" again... I don't suspect most of us live in basketball court room sized mansions.... there is A LOT more things that will give away your position before your light would. Generally speaking if someone breaks in, I am locking my bedroom door, dialing 911 and informing the operator someone broke in, I am baricaded in my bedroom, and I am armed and able to defend my life. It is not my job to go room to room and clear my house. If need be, or I don't know whats going on and I do go prowling around my house, I can assure you, my stairs will give me away, along with a few creeking floor boards, ect.

I think people like to cook up movie scenes where they sneak around undetected in the darkness like a Delta Team Six Super Seal Operator... but home invasions generally are the furthest thing from it.
 
These are the typical arguments but they go both ways. Yes mistakes can and DO happen, a police officer in the past few years mistakenly shot someone when he was trying to flip on his Surefire weapon light with a tape switch. I can agree that it is possible, however, making a blanket statement like that doesn't work. The officer was using a Glock, for sake of this discussion there was no "safety" and he made the mistake of searching with his WML. As I suggested a 1911 with a WML and if you REALLY needed to search (I don't believe any of us live in homes big enough to require true search / scan techniques) you can leave you manual safety on and avoid that.

Yes I know you MAY sweep someone, that is dependant on your personal situation. I don't have others or pets in my house that will go bump in the night... if I hear something, or someone that would require me to go downstairs well...... sweeping them is the last of my worries.

As for "giving awaya your position" again... I don't suspect most of us live in basketball court room sized mansions.... there is A LOT more things that will give away your position before your light would. Generally speaking if someone breaks in, I am locking my bedroom door, dialing 911 and informing the operator someone broke in, I am baricaded in my bedroom, and I am armed and able to defend my life. It is not my job to go room to room and clear my house. If need be, or I don't know whats going on and I do go prowling around my house, I can assure you, my stairs will give me away, along with a few creeking floor boards, ect.

I think people like to cook up movie scenes where they sneak around undetected in the darkness like a Delta Team Six Super Seal Operator... but home invasions generally are the furthest thing from it

IMHO most of what you are saying here does not apply to the OP. He is asking about a light on a 1911 so he can fit it into a holster that came with it. I took that to mean he is asking about deploying the gun while carrying not a home defense situation. On a house gun the gun light becomes more of a preference issue because in most states if someone is in your home you have the right to draw and present a weapon without repercussions, like brandishing, reckless endangerment or wanton endangerment.

However outside the home when carrying in public at least here in KY you have to consider that you can be charged with the 3 charges listed above for drawing a weapon and using your weapon light in public. You will have to draw the gun to use the light. In 99% of most encounters in public the action will happen too fast to use the light to search or illuminate your targer. If you have time to use it to search or illuminate your need to draw will certainly be questioned. This is why I replied the way I did.

A civilian who is concealed carrying or open carrying should think long and hard about carrying a gun with a weapon light and the possible consequences of how they will use that light. This is why I always recommend a small hand held light. Learn to use it properly and shoot properly with it. Unless you are part of a tactical team a weapon light has no place on your carry gun.

I will take it a step further and say if you have properly trained to use a light while carrying the same thing should be your SOP inside your home. YMMV
 
As for "giving awaya your position" again... I don't suspect most of us live in basketball court room sized mansions.... there is A LOT more things that will give away your position before your light would. Generally speaking if someone breaks in, I am locking my bedroom door, dialing 911 and informing the operator someone broke in, I am baricaded in my bedroom, and I am armed and able to defend my life. It is not my job to go room to room and clear my house. If need be, or I don't know whats going on and I do go prowling around my house, I can assure you, my stairs will give me away, along with a few creeking floor boards, ect.

I think people like to cook up movie scenes where they sneak around undetected in the darkness like a Delta Team Six Super Seal Operator... but home invasions generally are the furthest thing from it.

I will also be barricaded in my bedroom. I'll be behind my bed in deep shadows with my gun aimed at the doorway. A light, on the other side of the room NOT on my gun, will be pointed at the doorway.

I can see you, you can't see me. I DID NOT learn that from a Navy Seal movie.
 
Between the safety and flicking on and off the light or using the thumb for momentary lighting I get the feeling this set up will require a good amount of practice to really get down.

So... do you or would you run a light on your 1911?

Also, if you do, upon drawing the pistol in what order do you take off the safety and turn on the light?

OP, you need to take a good class from a qualified and reputable instructor then make your own decision about use of a weapon light.
 
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IMHO most of what you are saying here does not apply to the OP. He is asking about a light on a 1911 so he can fit it into a holster that came with it. I took that to mean he is asking about deploying the gun while carrying not a home defense situation. On a house gun the gun light becomes more of a preference issue because in most states if someone is in your home you have the right to draw and present a weapon without repercussions, like brandishing, reckless endangerment or wanton endangerment.

However outside the home when carrying in public at least here in KY you have to consider that you can be charged with the 3 charges listed above for drawing a weapon and using your weapon light in public. You will have to draw the gun to use the light. In 99% of most encounters in public the action will happen too fast to use the light to search or illuminate your targer. If you have time to use it to search or illuminate your need to draw will certainly be questioned. This is why I replied the way I did.

A civilian who is concealed carrying or open carrying should think long and hard about carrying a gun with a weapon light and the possible consequences of how they will use that light. This is why I always recommend a small hand held light. Learn to use it properly and shoot properly with it. Unless you are part of a tactical team a weapon light has no place on your carry gun.

I will take it a step further and say if you have properly trained to use a light while carrying the same thing should be your SOP inside your home. YMMV

While I see the validity and overall agree with your post, and will admit I talked about the use of a light in home defense in general to debate the facts about weapon lights... I disgree with the segment on a CCW gun not having one.

While I don't keep one on my EDC, I don't see a problem with other people doing it. I understand what you bring up about not being able to search with it, but I disagree with that if I did need to use the gun, I wouldn't have time to use a weapon mounted light.

Obviously no one wants to have to use deadly force, but we train and practice to do it anyways. I am no slower nor faster when using a WML than not using one. It is the same draw stroke, muscle memory, and I have the light pressure switch right where my support hand thumb is. I have shot in the dark, and practice regularly drawing and firing with a WML on my Glock and on my 1911's because its that I do use for HD. Proper target ID is important, if you think the shady guy walking towards you in the bad part of town (where I used to live) just pulled a knife or gun out of his pocket to mug you, but turns out it was his cell phone or car keys, and you shoot him you will have much more trouble than a brandishing charge on your hands.

Again, I agree with you, and personally do not TYPICALLY use a WML on my CCW gun (generally only do that when hunting / camping in the woods) I don't see any harm with people who do, so as long as they understand HOW to use it, when to legally use it (not branish and search) and properly train to use it.

I have had training on using them as well as handheld lights, and I prefer the WML. I also have acess to shoot while at night. Also the two 1911's I do keep WML's on, even at the public day time range, I simply take the batteries out, and still manipulate the pressure switches while shooting for the muscle memory.

When I reach for my Desert Warrior or STI tactical, my thumb automatically goes to the light. The desert warrior I usually carry with a light on it, camping / kayaking / fishing / hunting as well, more so its an extra light in case I get stuck out later than intended (I also keep a headlamp in my fishing vest) ..... never know how the biting will be :rolleyes:
 
Great posts everyone...

Since you all seem to be wondering what my particular reason is for having this pistol/light/holster combination, I'll go ahead and fill you in.

For fun

I can't imagine a realistic situation in which I would chose this setup for concealed carry, home defense, or anything outside of fun at the range or a different experience while hiking or camping.

If I were serious about needing a light on a hand gun I would just throw one on one of my Glocks and call it good.

For concealed carry I prefer a hand held light. I view a WML as more of an offensive tool.

I bought my Sig Scorpion because it was a GREAT deal, I think it looks cool with the color scheme and rail, I like the function of the grips and mag well, and it came with night sights, it's just something different.

So... since I now have this gun, I figured why have a 1911 with a rail and nothing mounted to it. I already have 1911s with out rails if I want to use one without a light. So I needed a holster that would accommodate the light. Now I have a dedicated holster for the Sig with my TLR-1 on it.

As mentioned in a post above having a thumb safety can be seen as a great safety feature when combined with a WML like in the case of an AR rifle. But it can also slow you down and add confusion when working the controls, especially in the case of a 1911 when primarily one hand will be working both the light and safety (with a standard TLR-1 set up), this is why I think it's mandatory to spend a lot of time practicing with this set up if one intends to use it for real world defense.

I will be using it mostly for fun though... having a light on the end of the gun also helps absorb recoil, something I'm sure I will appreciate on casual trips to the range.:)
 
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