Would You Like to See These Stocks on The Market?

Would you like to see these stocks on the Market?

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LJ-MosinFreak-Buck

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Hi, it's been a while since I've logged on here, I've been over on THR for a while and forgot my password here, but in a miracle it came to me just as I was opening my browser. :D

I have been designing some custom stocks for some military surplus rifles, such as the Mauser, K31, and Mosin Nagant. Today, I'll be showcasing my designs for the Mosin Nagant family tree of rifles.

Now, there is nothing wrong with the Mosin Nagant. It is my favorite rifle. I love the fit and finish of the original, so much so that I wouldn't ever change my first one (M44 y.1944). But some people, including me, feel that there may be something to be desired.

The Mosin Nagant has the potential to be a highly accurate rifle. But in stock configuration, there isn't too much you can do to fix that. Sure, you can cork the barrel at the muzzle end of the stock, even out torque on the action screws, roll your own ammo, but in military configuration, you're practically robbing yourself of accuracy. But, I will put my foot in my mouth, there are some Mosin Nagant rifles that are super accurate in stock configuration, even Russian ones, but not all are like that. I've been designing these stocks to maximize the accuracy potential.

What I'm planning on doing someday (hopefully soon) is to open up a custom stock making business. This idea came to me when designing these stocks, and the amount of interest on THR. I plan on making these stocks semi-to complete-custom. Whether you just want to bed your military surplus action in original barreled action, or you have a custom job that you're looking for a stock for, as I have plans to do a custom rifle with a reciever and UK-59 barrel from classicarms (http://www.classicarms.us).

Well, enough explanation, I can give more details through answering questions. On with the pictures. (Forgive the cartoon-y appearance. The only drawing software on my computer is Microsoft Paint, can't afford anything else.)

You can keep up with these and other designs here:

Custom Designs

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Its a neat concept, I just cant justify spending more on a stock than I did on the rifle. Its a cheap rifle, and I think the reason that 99% of the people who buy them is because they're 100 dollars a pop at most places and it fires a heavy hitting round. Spending the money to make it something its not just isn't my thing, by the time I spent money on the stock and a decent scope to do it some justice, I could have purchased a remington 700 in a caliber made for accurate, long range shooting.
 
I'm EXTREMELY interested. Heck, if my business was up and running I'd be talking to you about a licensing deal right now. (In the near future I'll be doing the same thing with Mosins and Mausers, so I just might need to keep you on tap.)
Setups number 1 and number three look the best to me, with number 5 getting an honourable mention.
Any idea what we might be looking at in terms of cost for these in a production model?
 
Well, I haven't started on even one yet, though I'm hoping that changes soon. I'm debating on whether or not I should use solid or laminate wood, I don't have access to molds plastic or fiber-glass, or carbon-fiber.

I've got a request for pallets in good condition on Facebook to try one in laminated wood, though I'm not sure how that would turn out.

I'm not going to make this an expensive modification. There are too many parts out there that we know and love that are over-priced, and I don't believe of rolling people over to turn a profit. My designs are intended to be useful and accurizing without the cost of other things. The ATI stock in CTD's catalogue is about $60 bucks. I want to aim for that area, but it'll probably be a little more than that for obvious reasons.

I'm happy with the amount of interest here as well so far. It's given me the confidence to give it my best and attempt to take this to the next level.

The situation now is grim. I'm unemployed, looking for work but finding none.
As far as getting a start now, I'm not sure. Once I get the pallets (if any) I'm going to separate them, glue them, and clamp them. I'll probably leave them like that for a while, but I'm not sure yet. If I had access to better materials, I wouldn't be thinking about using pallets. Just working with what I can. I have some tools, but not a lot, so it'd definately take me a while (mostly hand tools).
 
#2 looks pretty badass, just think thin and light. Would look even better once Datamancer finishes his 10rnd mosin mag.
 
I've got some ideas what I'm going to do with the magazine. I'm trying to figure out a way to do a detachable magazine. It's probably going to just go with my stocks, unless someone wants to heavily modify their rifle, I'm doing some custom bottom metal for this. I'll post a pic after bit, gotta go mow.
 
What can I convince you on, good sir?
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just mainly more info.. but I'm getting some of that as others ask questions. Laminated wood would be interesting... possibly heavy? Not that that would be a bad thing..
For me, simpler is better.. I like the idea of the free floated one, but I also like the "simple" tactical with the thumbhole (3rd one).
You might give a thought to selling "roughed" out internals, so a guy could do his own bedding. Might save you some bucks, be able to market them slightly lower on the price scale.
just some random thoughts.
 
I would be interested, again if the price is right. I hate to put 100.00 into an 100.00 rifle. that is not even semi-auto.
 
That's the thing... I like sem-automatic rifles, don't get me wrong, but I love me my bolts. Simpler to run. Easier to maintain, and even though obsolete on the battlefield, they serve a limited role that for the most part hasn't been replaced.

To me, a rifle doesn't need to be semi-auto to look good. What I want to do with these stocks is give someone the opportunity to be creative with their rifles while at the same time, giving better accuracy and what not.

Hornetguy has a good idea there, selling a semi-finished stock, mainly with pattern cut and outside finished, leaving the internals (inletting, barrel channel, et cetera) rough cut so the end user can finish how he/she likes.

If I were to make this a business, it would be about the customer. Not the monetary return. Too many people let the money get to their heads. Not me. Money is just an object, that is no object to me. The satisfaction I get is with the satisfaction of the customer, but for obvious reasons, I can't just hand these out, it'd bleed me dry and get me nowhere. I wouldn't be able to keep going like that. I'd have to be able to keep operating.

If anyone has a different stock design they like (from another rifle), feel free to PM me, and I'll see what I can draw up.

But now on to my detachable magazine/custom bottom metal. The picture I'm about to post is only for visual representation only. I have not refined, nor have I put more work into this. I'm still drawing up some other thoughts on how to get this to work. I'd love to be able to do a double stack if anyone knows how to get one to work (going from double-stack to single stack at the top).

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DiCarnage: I am starting to work up some designs for the Mauser platform as well. Feel free to look at the album, it's in there second to the left on the top. I only have one up so far, my time has been pre-occupied with the Mosin designs lately. I should start working some up for the Mauser though...

Custom Designs
 
The Mosin is plenty accurate if given the chance. Some bores may be shot out, but some are sweet shooters. The way the come factory doesn't do them justice.

So please, don't go and generalize a rifle platform because ofa bad experience, either yours or someone elses.

I'm planning on making these stocks so people can do a direct swap, or can make a custom rifle off of one...
 
On a related note, does anyone have links to accurizing a Mosin Nagant? I want some reading material to study for things to incorporate into these stocks aside from proper bedding and proper torque (anyone know the proper torque here as well?).
 
Cool designs. .

I build furniture out of pallet wood -

skip the brittle stuff. (It would not handle the stress of a gun shot)

What you're looking for is the pallets made of something hard - like oak.

Unfortunately, most of the pallet wood is warped or filled with nails.

You might have a really hard time creating a good stock from the stuff I've worked with.
 
I like number 2, just not sure you could drill and tap a MN for that scope mount, You may want to incorporate a scope mount into the stock.


Just a thought.
Jim
 
Actually Jim243:

I do have an idea for mounting to the stock instead of the reciever. My idea was consolidating the scope mount into a bedding block for the action itself. My idea was to fully bed this block to the stock, and then torque the action down on this (to proper spec, of course, if I can find this information.

If you go to my link to the album containing these designs, there is a K31 stock design that has this bedding block incorporated with scope mount, in a sorts.

The mount, which will need to be custom made, will incorporate scope rings and will bolt to this bedding block.

Thoughts? Comment? Concerns?
 
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