World Court to Israel: stop protecting yourself against terrorists

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Court: Fence violates international law, must be dismantled


By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent, and Reuters






The president of the International Court of Justice was Friday reading the ruling on the legality of the West Bank separation fence in The Hague. The ruling was in line with a copy of the document obtained earlier by Haaretz, and which determines that the barrier contravenes international law, must be dismantled, and that Palestinians harmed by its construction must be compensated.





Judge Shi Jiuyong of China called the United Nations' highest legal authority to order and started reading the non-binding advisory opinion requested by the UN General Assembly that is expected to be highly complex and possibly take several hours to read.

Click here for a live broadcast of the court's decision.

In his ruling, Judge Shi Jiuyong said the court had the jurisdiction to give a non-binding advisory opinion requested by the UN General Assembly.

"The Court cannot accept the view... that it has no jurisdiction because of the 'political' character of the question posed..." he said. "The court accordingly has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion."

The ruling obtained by Haaretz, determines that, "The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated regime, are contrary to international law."

Fourteen justices supported the decision and the sole opponent was the American judge, Thomas Buerghenthal.

The ruling is titled "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory."

In building the fence, the court rules, Israel violated international humanitarian law, by infringing on Palestinians' freedom of movement, freedom to seek employment, education and health.

It also states that Israel violated international treaties it had signed which deal with these topics: "The construction of such a wall accordingly constitutes breaches by Israel of its various obligations under the applicable international humanitarian law and human rights instruments."

The court also rules that Israel must halt construction of the fence and pull down those sections built inside the West Bank. "Israel is under an obligation to... cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated..." the ruling says.

The judges also question the route of the fence determined by Israel, saying they are "not convinced that the specific course Israel has chosen for the wall was necessary to attain its security objectives."

The ruling says: "The wall, along the route chosen, and its associated regime, gravely infringe a number of rights of Palestinians residing in the territory occupied by Israel, and the infringements resulting from that route cannot be justified by military exigencies or by the requirements of national security or public order."

On the issue of compensating Palestinians harmed by construction of the fence, the court rules that, "Israel is under an obligation to make reparation for all damage caused by the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem."

Buergenthal was supported by the Dutch judge, Pieter Kooijmans, in his rejection of the call for all countries to act against the project. The other 13 judges ruled in favor of this call. "All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction," the ruling says.

The Hague court also rules that it has jurisdiction to render an opinion on the issue of the fence. The ruling includes a lengthy analysis of the legal situation and of the history of the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Parts of the fence constructed within the Green Line are not included in the court's decision.

The ruling also says that, "Israel is bound to comply with its obligation to respect the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and its obligations under international humanitarian law and international human rights law. Furthermore, it must ensure freedom of access to the Holy Places that came under its control."

The International Court was asked to deliberate on the issue of the security fence by a United Nations General Assembly resolution last December, and its decision, which is advisory in nature, will be presented to the world body.

Prior to the release of the decision, Israeli sources said they were unsure of the court's ruling. However, European sources said that on the basis of information available to them, the legal opinion would be "negative and critical" of Israel.

Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat on Thursday said he had full confidence in the world court. "I believe the court in The Hague is capable of stopping the construction of the fence that damages our people," he said in Ramallah.

For its part, the Defense Ministry has carried out changes on the official map delineating the route of the fence according to the ruling of Israel's High Court of Justice. The changes run along the section of the fence northwest of Jerusalem, and in parts near Qalqilyah, Modi'in and southeast of Jerusalem near Gush Etzion.

According to the map made public by the Defense Ministry, there are many changes from the original route of the fence, and all are meant to alleviate the pressure on the Palestinian population in those areas.

However, the new map also shows the intention to build the fence around the Ariel salient, linking the largest settlement in the West Bank with the settlements of Karnei Shomron and Immanuel, and to the Green Line.

Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization have prepared their public relations and diplomatic offensives in anticipation of the decision. The PLO representative in the United Nations, Nasser al-Qidwa, and diplomats from Arab countries at the UN, plan to request an emergency session of the General Assembly where the results of the court's decision will be presented.

It is expected that the Palestinians will seek operative application of the court's conclusions, in case Israel refuses to adopt the recommendations of the international court.

Israel has already prepared its response on the assumption that it will come in for criticism from the court. Israel will seek to block the issue from reaching the Security Council, with the assistance of the United States. Israel is also hoping that most EU countries will not support the Palestinian move as they opposed bringing the matter before the ICJ.
 
What did you expect of these hypocrites, Greg Bell?

The Hague, Netherlands -- isn't that where they treated Ann Frank and her family and their fellow Jews with such tender consideration during WWII?

And, of course, the EU all condemn Israel for building the wall, but if you look at all of their pronouncements on Israel and those of the UN, you'll see that what they actually condemn Israel for is for the crime of her EXISTENCE.

Israel was born out of the ashes of the holocaust, which was perpetrated by the Germans with the enthusiastic assistance of most of Europe. Her soil is drenched with Jewish blood, going back 2000 years.

Interesting that ONLY the United States judge did not go along with this judgement.

Israel will have learn to do what is necessary for her survival and let the hypocrite world "community" go to hell -- if she is to survive at all.

Personally, although I am not myself religious, I have finally realized that NO secular Israeli government will save Israel. Only the deeply religious Jews know what is necessary and have the strength of will to do it. I hope, by some miracle, that they come to power there.

I have come to the same conclusion about secular "democracy" in the US, as well. Without the wisdom of the ages found (took me a long time to admit this) in Judeo-Christian religious tradition, there is no wisdom guiding society.

It is not necessary to believe in the theology, to know that without a moral code we are descending into savagery (just look around you).


You can begin flaming now.



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So let me ask a question . What would happen to The Middle East if Israel were completely destroyed ? Do you think it would settle down or look for something else to fight about ?
 
I just can't believe anybody takes this court seriously. I think we should send Charles Manson as a judge to let them know how seriously we take their rulings.
 
In his ruling, Judge Shi Jiuyong said the court had the jurisdiction to give a non-binding advisory opinion requested by the UN General Assembly.

And thank Heaven that the advisory opinion is non-binding!

There are a lot of people, including many in our Government, who would love to give the UN the authority to issue binding rulings. Then you would have a truly horrendous world government.
 
Israel and the World Court!

Israel will continue to do what is in Israel's best interest!!!! This sort of thing will be ignored as it should be. We (USA) should have as much courage and foresight to do what we really need to do in our own interests and ignore the "Voices" from the weak willed rest of the world that is not under the gun like we are and Israel is. They have the courage that we used to have. We need to do this same thing on our borders!!!!! :mad:
 
Israel should follow Dick Cheney's example from his invitation to Pat Leahy. Tell the 'World Court' to go f^&k themselves.
 
So let me ask a question . What would happen to The Middle East if Israel were completely destroyed ? Do you think it would settle down or look for something else to fight about ?
I suppose that the death-cult psychotics of the near-east, middle-east, far-east, Asia, SE Asia, Africa, and elsewhere speak with many voices, but this one is fairly well known:
Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998

Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh

Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
Let's see... Am I a pagan in his/their eyes? CHECK! Sent with a sword he says? CHECK! "...fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem..." CHECK!

Well, it would seem that the death-cult psychotics won't rest until I pay homage to their demon. That will happen around the same time as the Sun burns itself out of the sky.

Sooooo... should a follower of the non-psychotic version of Islam wish to live in peace with me, mine, and the other children of God, then I wish that person peace. But to answer your original question, I believe that yes, the world could be devoid of all Jews and Israel tomorrow, and the death-cult psychotics would still demand that every living being worship their death-demon, and commit and/or be human sacrifice.

There is a joke in there somewhere about the idiocy of bringing a 7th century barbarian sword to a 21st century gunfight, but frankly I'm not much in the mood. :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
How dare the state of Israel should build a wall! They should let them all in - unhindered - along with the dope, arms and everything else. Give them jobs, medical care etc. Then sit there and wait for inevitable attacks.

Like our government does.
 
Well, LAX, we wouldn't want to offend anyone would we? Someone with a more sophisticated worldview than us probably came up with this brilliant solution! :p
 
"The Court cannot accept the view... that it has no jurisdiction because of the 'political' character of the question posed..." he said. "The court accordingly has jurisdiction to give the advisory opinion."

Wow, they have the POWER to offer their opinion, I'm sure Israel is sitting there shaking. It's the Palestilians who 'built' the wall.
 
So, the court has the jurisdiction to make an advisory opinion. Now what? If Israel tells this court to go pound sand, what can they do? Do they have any enforcement powers? Will they send some Dutch troops to go tear the wall down? I'd imagine the Israelis can handle 'em.

I really am wondering what enforcement options the court has if Israel chooses to ignore the ruling.

It is expected that the Palestinians will seek operative application of the court's conclusions, in case Israel refuses to adopt the recommendations of the international court.

Israel has already prepared its response on the assumption that it will come in for criticism from the court. Israel will seek to block the issue from reaching the Security Council, with the assistance of the United States. Israel is also hoping that most EU countries will not support the Palestinian move as they opposed bringing the matter before the ICJ.

Operative application. I wonder what the entails.
 
The so-called "world court" doesn't have jurisdiction in this matter, for according to Charles Krauthammer, in today's piece, they are an "arbitration body", that only can become involved in a question given the agreement of the parties involved.

Can you imaging ANYONE agreeing to be judged by so obviously a "stacked body"?
 
Worthy of a passing note.

Within the last couple of weeks, a decision handed down by Israel's High Court ran AGAINST the government re a portion of this wall. The suit was brought by Palestians and some Israelis, represented by an Israeli attorney I believe.

Can you imagine a Jewish community in an Arab country, if there still be such things as Jewish communities in Arab countries, bring suit against the Arab government, let alone winning the suit?
 
How dare the state of Israel should build a wall! They should let them all in - unhindered - along with the dope, arms and everything else. Give them jobs, medical care etc. Then sit there and wait for inevitable attacks.

Like our government does.

Amen to that, brother.... :rolleyes:
 
The thing that annoys me the most about the wall is that people can't seem to be able to realise that it is infact the Palestinians who basiclly built it. If they stoppped they're attacks it wouldn't have been built. Surely builing a wall is better than bombing their towns? - No doubt that if the same people against the wall, were instead told - "look were a going to bomb every Palestinian town near the boarder flat" - they would DEMAND that a more peaceful solution like: "a wall" -"wow, what a great idea rupert, you anti-war peace type person, what a great humanaterian idea, that would save lifes!"

Naturally it's in these peoples nature to complain whatever it is, so are only pleased when the first alternative is reduced, so if we thought of nuking them in the first place, a simple wall would be a "great idea"
 
In order for your scenario to be realized, you need self-reliant, responsible, honest brokers. What you have is self loathing, victim oriented, entitlement seeking, terrorist thugs. Not a fertile field for the idea of peaceful coexistence to take root
 
If we wanted to send the world a message, simply send them supplies and help to build the wall. Better yet, since Israel seems like a reasonable place, give them California.
 
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