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Bob Wright

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On another forum there is a post concerning a negligent discharge. The correspondent claims he had a pistol, a SIG of some sort, that fell and discharged during the night. Now, as y'all know, I'm a revolver man through and through, but not totally clueless.

The pistol in question was on a nightstand, loaded magazine inserted, and slide locked back. According to his report, the gun slid off and fired, in mid-air.

My question is, where, or how, did he get information that casued him to place his pistol in such a manner? That is, stored/ready, with slide locked back? My first though would be in battery with empty chamber, or cocked and locked. Am I out of step with the autoloaders?


WHOA! WHOA! I jumped to the wrong conclusion! The gun was a SIG M400AR, a Rifle!

Sorry about the confusion.

Bob Wright
 
I don't understand how this discharge could possibly happen as described. The trigger still has to be pulled? If the pistol fired because of a slide release then it would fire with every slide release, right?.

This is the first time I have heard of storing an automatic that way. It makes no sense. Autos are perfectly safe with the slide closed on a live round... unless the gun fires when the slide closes. Storing a gun with the slide set to the rear seems like a great way to wear out the recoil spring.
 
I don't think you are out of step one bit.
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The pistol in question was on a nightstand, loaded magazine inserted, and slide locked back. According to his report, the gun slid off and fired, in mid-air.
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Nothing about this account sounds even remotely possible. A gun, in mid air, by itself releass the slide stop, chambering a round, and pulls it's own trigger?:confused:
2. Loaded magaine in the mag well, slide retracted, and locked...... You can't fix STUPID!
If you are that afraid of a gun, don't have one
If you are afraid a child will get ahold of it, don't keave it even partially loaded and accessable.

Thinking whoever made that post failed to mention when the gun fell, he grabbed for it, with his finger inside the trigger guard, and hit the slide release in the process.:D
 
I can only guess.
1. Whatever caused it to slide of the nightstand also caused the releasing of the slide.
2. There must be something wrong with the firing pin/firing pin block safety on the pistol (stuck in fire position) so that when the slide closed, the chambered round discharges.
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whoops. Sig M400A I think this is an AR type pistol/rifle.
I think ARs have a floating firing pin. So, my guesses are stuck firing pin or inertia (I have not seen this but I guess it is possible).
 
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I think someone is getting their leg pulled here. Guns don't discharge in mid air...Period !! No way would I believe any part of that story. I think someone is just posting this to see what kind of discussion they could get going.
 
According to his report, the gun slid off and fired, in mid-air.
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Yeah, right.

A gun falling is going to be in, you know, "free fall".

My question is, where, or how, did he get information that casued him to place his pistol in such a manner? That is, stored/ready, with slide locked back? My first though would be in battery with empty chamber, or cocked and locked. Am I out of step with the autoloaders?
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I think the guy in question has been reading too much on Internet gun fora.
 
A theory: he retracts the slide and locks it open, inserts mag and lays it on nightstand. By placing it in the nightstand, the slide stop is jarred, causing the slide to unexpectedly close and the gun begins to fall. He grabs for the gun and IT GOES OFF ALL BY ITSELF!!!
 
It was an AR pistol?

It's possible that it was a slam fire...

Also likely he grabbed for it as it fell, due to he being the one to knock it off. Releasing the bolt on an AR is easy, and could have happened when he bumped it.

It could have bounced and released the bolt and slam fired.


Whatever happened, it was 100% human error that lead up to this.
 
Good thing he didn't leave it by the front door it could have shot somebody when they walked by..:confused:
I agree with the above BTW!
 
The gun was a SIG M400AR, a Rifle!
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Detailed discussion should probably go in the semi rifle forum, but in general, for the gun to fire in mid air AS DESCRIBED, all the conditions necessary for a slam fire would have to happen.

It is possible (though very unlikely) that as the gun slid off the nightstand (who puts a loaded rifle, action open on a nightstand, anyway??), the bolt release could have been tripped. Then the bolt would close as the rifle was falling, and the slamfire could happen while it was still in the air.

COULD

An AR absolutely WILL shut from the jar it takes hitting the ground. But even then there would have to be other things at work to have it slamfire.

Most likely is the person tell it is telling what they think happened. They might fully, and honestly believe that is what did happen. But I am very doubtful things actually happened they way they think they did.

Not totally impossible, but I think you have better odds at winning the Lotto jackpot...
 
Obviously there is a lot of missing data as relating to the mysterious discharge of an AR type action. i wrote a half page of why this could not happen with the information given then realized that if you remove the nut behind the wheel there would be no discharge.....period! Deleated all the "expert" opinion i so carefully prepared:)
 
I don't think we're getting the whole story fellas.....


Someone grabbed the falling gun, or it was loaded and fired via inertia.



This is one good reason those rifles that are technically pistols are silly. Not drop safe, and use a rifle manual of arms.
 
I don't know the circumstances, but if I were investigating such a case it would take a whole lot of convincing (and testing) before I would buy that tale.

Jim
 
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