TheDutchman19
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I am looking for a used lever action 30/30. I have noticed that Winchesters seem to fetch a little more money than the Marlins. Why?
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Winchester vs Marlin
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steveNChunter
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I'm a Marlin guy mainly because that's what I was given as a kid and still own today. I prefer the side eject and I also like the Marlin's trigger better than Winchester's. I will admit however that the quality of a new Marlin ain't what it used to be. My 336 was made in the early 70's
But it's really a Ford/Chevy kind of thing. Six of one half-dozen of the other.
As taylorce1 said, the Winchester 94 is not a regular production rifle, and the new ones made by Miroku are more of a presentation rifle IMO than something I'd want to hunt with.
If you want a new Winchester 94 style rifle, look at the Mossberg 464. Same design and a very, very similar rifle to the later post '64 model 94's
Don't overlook the Rossi Rio Grande either. Also a good rifle for the money.
The Marlin, Mossberg, and Rossi are all roughly the same price point.
Have fun deciding, there's really not a bad choice out of the three, but personal preference means alot.
But it's really a Ford/Chevy kind of thing. Six of one half-dozen of the other.
As taylorce1 said, the Winchester 94 is not a regular production rifle, and the new ones made by Miroku are more of a presentation rifle IMO than something I'd want to hunt with.
If you want a new Winchester 94 style rifle, look at the Mossberg 464. Same design and a very, very similar rifle to the later post '64 model 94's
Don't overlook the Rossi Rio Grande either. Also a good rifle for the money.
The Marlin, Mossberg, and Rossi are all roughly the same price point.
Have fun deciding, there's really not a bad choice out of the three, but personal preference means alot.
I have a 1970's top eject Winchester and my wife has a 90's Marlin. I actually prefer the Marlin because of the safety system. I can cock the hammer back on the marlin and set the push safety on instead of worrying about pulling the hammer back when I see a deer come through. It would definitely be my choice for a younger hunter because of it.
Cheapshooter
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#1 reason I wanted a Winchester over a Marlin 30-30
John Wayne never carried a 336!
John Wayne never carried a 336!
oldgunsmith
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For a shooter I would prefer a 336 over most of the late 94's. A pre-64 in good shape would be a different story.
TheDutchman19
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This give me some to think about. Three or four time now someone has handed me their Winchester 94 to hunt something I wasn't prepared for. Every time it has been a lot of fun.
A matter of preference, mostly....
Winchester vs. Marlin
Winchester has the name recognition, and a lot of recognized history, while Marlin has nearly as much, its not as widely known, especially among non hunters and non shooters. Everybody recognizes the name Winchester.
The classic deer guns in .30-30 are the Win 94 and the Marlin 336. Marlins run heavier by half a pound to a pound, depending on the wood. Marlins have solid tops and side ejection. Winchesters have the guts drop out when you work the lever....
While I respect and like the classic model 94, the Marlin is a better gun for me, because of the way the stock fits me. Recoil is softer and I'm one of those who doesn't mind a scope on a lever gun.
Either one is a great .30-30. If you aren't wedded to the Winchester look, either one will do fine.
Winchester vs. Marlin
Winchester has the name recognition, and a lot of recognized history, while Marlin has nearly as much, its not as widely known, especially among non hunters and non shooters. Everybody recognizes the name Winchester.
The classic deer guns in .30-30 are the Win 94 and the Marlin 336. Marlins run heavier by half a pound to a pound, depending on the wood. Marlins have solid tops and side ejection. Winchesters have the guts drop out when you work the lever....
While I respect and like the classic model 94, the Marlin is a better gun for me, because of the way the stock fits me. Recoil is softer and I'm one of those who doesn't mind a scope on a lever gun.
Either one is a great .30-30. If you aren't wedded to the Winchester look, either one will do fine.
The early Marlins had a flaw that I just cannot forgive. Marlin didn't make enough of them. Take the Model 95 made between 1895 and 1917. Total production ran about 18,000. Compare that to the competing Winchester 1886made between 1886 and the mid 1930's, which totaled closer to 145,000 rifles. Both companies made fine rifles.
Winchester stopped making them in 2006. They are now making only high end versions in Japan. The used USA made versions are now selling at a premium.
Winchester quality over the last 60 years has been up and down. Get one of the good Winchesters and you have a good gun. Get one of the bad ones and you'll wish you'd bought a Marlin.
Marlin, until about 2008 or so, has been much more consistent in their quality. Not saying you might not get a lemon, but the odds are better of getting a quality Marlin than Winchester on the used market. I'd probably avoid Marlins made in the last 5-6 years.
Pistol gripped Marlins will be heavier, about 7-7.25 lbs vs around 6.75 lbs for the Winchester. I do like the straight grip on most Winchesters better. Older Winchesters couldn't be easily scoped if that is a concern.
My solution. Seek out the straight gripped Marlins. Over the years they made a few. I rarely find one that I don't buy. They offer the best features of both designs. Couple of Winchesters in there, but the rest are Marlins.
Another issue I have with the Winchester, is the collector's market. Not the people who are, and have always been collecting old Winchesters (or even old Marlins), but the speculators, including gun dealers.
When the last iteration of Winchester (in the US) closed down, EVERYTHING with Winchester's name on it jumped in price. Winchester 94s (perhaps the most produced sporting rife on the planet) was suddenly "collectable". The price seemed to jump $200 almost overnight.
What had been 200-250 dollar rifles on the used rack instantly became 400 dollar rifles. While I am a firm believer in capitalism, and I understand the law of supply and demand, I found the virtual instant and comprehensive price jump to be ...distasteful. It was not a case of supply drying up and remaining pieces selling for more (like with milsurp rifles), it was a case of retailers anticipating by a considerable amount the expected collector interest and lack of supply. By a considerable amount, in money and time. To me, that felt like gouging. Not any reflection on the rifle(s), just the people dealing in them.
When the last iteration of Winchester (in the US) closed down, EVERYTHING with Winchester's name on it jumped in price. Winchester 94s (perhaps the most produced sporting rife on the planet) was suddenly "collectable". The price seemed to jump $200 almost overnight.
What had been 200-250 dollar rifles on the used rack instantly became 400 dollar rifles. While I am a firm believer in capitalism, and I understand the law of supply and demand, I found the virtual instant and comprehensive price jump to be ...distasteful. It was not a case of supply drying up and remaining pieces selling for more (like with milsurp rifles), it was a case of retailers anticipating by a considerable amount the expected collector interest and lack of supply. By a considerable amount, in money and time. To me, that felt like gouging. Not any reflection on the rifle(s), just the people dealing in them.
44 AMP Another issue I have with the Winchester, is the collector's market. Not the people who are, and have always been collecting old Winchesters (or even old Marlins), but the speculators, including gun dealers.
When the last iteration of Winchester (in the US) closed down, EVERYTHING with Winchester's name on it jumped in price. Winchester 94s (perhaps the most produced sporting rife on the planet) was suddenly "collectable". The price seemed to jump $200 almost overnight.
What had been 200-250 dollar rifles on the used rack instantly became 400 dollar rifles. While I am a firm believer in capitalism, and I understand the law of supply and demand, I found the virtual instant and comprehensive price jump to be ...distasteful. It was not a case of supply drying up and remaining pieces selling for more (like with milsurp rifles), it was a case of retailers anticipating by a considerable amount the expected collector interest and lack of supply. By a considerable amount, in money and time. To me, that felt like gouging. Not any reflection on the rifle(s), just the people dealing in them.
Today 07:43 AM
what he said, i'm glad i got my m94
When the last iteration of Winchester (in the US) closed down, EVERYTHING with Winchester's name on it jumped in price. Winchester 94s (perhaps the most produced sporting rife on the planet) was suddenly "collectable". The price seemed to jump $200 almost overnight.
What had been 200-250 dollar rifles on the used rack instantly became 400 dollar rifles. While I am a firm believer in capitalism, and I understand the law of supply and demand, I found the virtual instant and comprehensive price jump to be ...distasteful. It was not a case of supply drying up and remaining pieces selling for more (like with milsurp rifles), it was a case of retailers anticipating by a considerable amount the expected collector interest and lack of supply. By a considerable amount, in money and time. To me, that felt like gouging. Not any reflection on the rifle(s), just the people dealing in them.
Today 07:43 AM
what he said, i'm glad i got my m94
the debate is always controversial, that said, I have a 1974 Winchester model 94 in 30-30 Win and a 1980 Marlin 375 (336) in 375 Win.
the Winchester is a straight grip, the Marlin has a pistol grip (which I prefer), the 94 is lighter,
which is easier to carry all day, the 336 is heavier, but then so is the recoil (that's a wash).
Fast handling carbines are great!
They both print 3" groups @ 100 yards with Iron peep sights and would do better with a scope.
I do however have scoped rifles for that task, including a Savage 99 levergun.
So I love em both, and use the 30-30 for deer and the 375 for bear, If I happen to run into a bear
during deer season I'm sure the Ol 94 will get her done.
the Winchester is a straight grip, the Marlin has a pistol grip (which I prefer), the 94 is lighter,
which is easier to carry all day, the 336 is heavier, but then so is the recoil (that's a wash).
Fast handling carbines are great!
They both print 3" groups @ 100 yards with Iron peep sights and would do better with a scope.
I do however have scoped rifles for that task, including a Savage 99 levergun.
So I love em both, and use the 30-30 for deer and the 375 for bear, If I happen to run into a bear
during deer season I'm sure the Ol 94 will get her done.
Slickness
I have a 336 chambered in .35 Rem. and it is from the mid '80s; and a model 94 top eject that is about 30 years old and used sparingly.
The Winchester is a better carry gun and it feels a lot better than the Marlin.
But . . . to cycle the action on the Winchester you definitely get a feel of resistance like: thunk (down) thuck (up).
The Marlin is more like: shlick, shlick. And unquestionably quicker.
S-m-o-o-t-h.
There is no favorite among the two, even though there is a difference in chambering.
But, I must admit if the Winchester were a new product and did not have the history, the Marlin would get my nod. I do think it is the superior product.
Rmocarsky
I have a 336 chambered in .35 Rem. and it is from the mid '80s; and a model 94 top eject that is about 30 years old and used sparingly.
The Winchester is a better carry gun and it feels a lot better than the Marlin.
But . . . to cycle the action on the Winchester you definitely get a feel of resistance like: thunk (down) thuck (up).
The Marlin is more like: shlick, shlick. And unquestionably quicker.
S-m-o-o-t-h.
There is no favorite among the two, even though there is a difference in chambering.
But, I must admit if the Winchester were a new product and did not have the history, the Marlin would get my nod. I do think it is the superior product.
Rmocarsky
Both are great rifles, but Winchester closed their plant here in the US and sold off their name. The current Winchesters are made in Japan and are very expensive, I understand that they are well made (Very, Very Expensive).
Marlin was just sold to Remington, and the Remlin's had a number of issues on quality control, but it seems like that has been fixed (don't know for sure).
Mine is a pre-Remington model 336C in 35 Remington, and I love it.
Jim
Marlin was just sold to Remington, and the Remlin's had a number of issues on quality control, but it seems like that has been fixed (don't know for sure).
Mine is a pre-Remington model 336C in 35 Remington, and I love it.
Jim
I currently own a modern Miroku made model 94 short rifle chambered for 30-30 and it is a good shooter and well made ! Also , I own an old pre-war 1894 chambered in 25-35 that is pretty much a safe queen because the action is sloppy and it has seen a lot of hard use over it's long life of taking deer , black bear , coyotes , and I can only guess what else from its previous owner who bought it used ! Anyway , to find a pre-64 in really good shape would be sweet and agree with most that the new 94's are overpriced but I got a good deal on mine ! I'm more a fan of the 1886 but had to have a 30-30 around as well ! 