Winchester Ranger Talon 9mm +P+ 127gr - Which gun ?

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Mike H

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It's likely that my next handgun purchase will be a 9mm. Thing is, I'm not a big believer in standard pressure 9mmP for self defence, I think +P or even +P+ makes more sense. Most police departments agree.

I have a line on the awesome (allegedly) Ranger Talon 127gr +P+ for a really low price. I'm considering getting a couple of boxes and laying them away.

Problem is, I'm not sure what guns (other than the USP9's) are "safe" to shoot ultra hot 9mm rounds such as these, in other words I could be wasting my money.

My potential list would be :

Sig P239 (a big favorite of mine)
Walther P99
CZ85 PCR
Beretta Elite II
Glock 19/26

Anyone know if these guns are cleared for hot 9mm's.

Mike H
 
You're talking about the load I carry in my HKP7M8 for social work. Nice load, and I think any of the handguns you mentioned will handle them, just not a steady diet. If this or any other +p+ load is what you intend to carry, I suggest increasing recoil spring strength by 10% to reduce slide velocity thereby saving frame wear. Don't look for to many mfg.'s to openly endorse +p+, to many lawyers out there.:)
 
Mike:

If you're like me, you plan to practice and that said, I would advise you to stay away from ANY aluminum-framed weapon---------------------------period with the exception of the Ruger P89.

Glock 19, P99 Walther or a STEEL-framed compact CZ75.

Just my $.02 worth.
 
The Beretta 92 manual says that +P+ is ok, but that extended use will shorten the life of the gun.

Glock states that their 9mms are rated for +P+.

Ruger P89 manual states that +P+ is within the design limits of the pistol.

I thought I heard somewhere that the Walther P99 wasn't rated for +P+, but I have no information on that pistol.

I'm curious as to why you don't just get a .357 Sig. It seems strange to me for you to buy a gun knowing that you are going to have to fire high-pressure ammo in it to get the performance you want.
 
John

These would be my reasons for going 9mm +P+ as opposed to .357 Sig.

1. Cheaper practice ammo, much cheaper

2. Less punishing practice sessions with standard pressure ammo

3. 17 round capacity in a Walther P99, 18 in a G17, 16 in a 92FS etc

4. Still more controllable than .357 Sig, aka The Mule

5. I think 9mm, even high pressure 9mm, is safer for those who shoot thousands of rounds a year on average, than .357 Sig and .40 S&W.

Many will disagree with some or all of these opinions, but the new boomers have a little more to prove to me before I would feel entirely comfortable shooting them on a regular basis.

Mike H
 
The well-built Kahr K9 was designed around Cor-Bon 115gr +P ammunition as being the primary fodder.

I would assume this to be a solid platform for that load.
 
Good points Mike:

I really am not set on fire by the 9mm versus say a .45 or .357 but I can get 1000 of JHP S&B for $160.00. And as you said, the 9mm is easy to become accurate with not to mention it has an excellent record for function in a semi-auto.
 
This is also my load for my G19. It handles it fine. My wife carries it in her Kahr P9 as well.

Most quality 9mms should handle this fine.

Tom
 
Mike, take this with a grain of salt, since I'm a newbie, but I seem to remember the 'rumor' about the P99 not being tested to +P+ was dismissed, since they designed it to NATO load specs, which are higher than SAMMI spec.

If this helps any, I have the 147gr Black Talon (Ranger LEO) ammo that I have shot in my P99, and intend to use this for both HD and CC in a Kahr MK9 (when I get one).

Hope this helps.
 
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