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Winchester Defender Vs. Mossberg 500
- Thread starter Grapeshot
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Keith Duda
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I have a winchester defender and love it. I like the fiber optic type sight. I like the position of the safety since it matches my hunting shotgun. The 590 is more of a standard, but I think the 1300 does just fine.
Keith
Keith
Any reliable shotgun of at least 2 shot capacity and of 20 ga or larger is a good HD tool.
Shoot a few different ones, find out which one you like, buy it and shoot it lots.
Forget the military lookalikes being more effective, at 3 AM nobody will be all that impressed.
Shoot a few different ones, find out which one you like, buy it and shoot it lots.
Forget the military lookalikes being more effective, at 3 AM nobody will be all that impressed.
Hmmm, an 870 eh?
Well isn't Remington now crimping the end of the magazine tube so that mag. extensions can't be added? This limits the gun to what, 4 or 5 rounds?
Oh yeah, that makes it a truly wonderful choice. And of course, everything else is CRAP.
Well I won't be buying any Remingtons soon, since I hate the idea of a company that's ashamed at the thought that we might use their gun for legal self defense.
No, it's either a Mossberg or a 1300, and I'm leaning toward the 1300, since I've shot one of the Turkey guns and was very impressed.
My favorite HD shotgun is a double-barrel, but lately I've gotten the notion that a high-capacity shotgun, with a big ole' 8 shot mag, would be totally politically incorrect to own. Since the anti's would hate for me to buy it, well so now I just have to get one!
Well isn't Remington now crimping the end of the magazine tube so that mag. extensions can't be added? This limits the gun to what, 4 or 5 rounds?
Oh yeah, that makes it a truly wonderful choice. And of course, everything else is CRAP.
Well I won't be buying any Remingtons soon, since I hate the idea of a company that's ashamed at the thought that we might use their gun for legal self defense.
No, it's either a Mossberg or a 1300, and I'm leaning toward the 1300, since I've shot one of the Turkey guns and was very impressed.
My favorite HD shotgun is a double-barrel, but lately I've gotten the notion that a high-capacity shotgun, with a big ole' 8 shot mag, would be totally politically incorrect to own. Since the anti's would hate for me to buy it, well so now I just have to get one!
Used 870s are common,and most do not have the PC dreck neither you nor I like.A used 870 is perhaps the best value for money on the market,and the aftermarket bells,whistles, fuzzy dice and fender skirts will definitely P!$$ off the Hoplophobes. They may even improve effectiveness,on occasion...
The 870s has not only an unmatched record for reliability and durability, but one that is not all that closely approached.
My HD 870 was built in November, 1950. I started shooting it around 1958, maybe 8000 rounds through it, many of them 00 and slugs. Still waiting on the very first malf. Still waiting with the other 4 870s here also.
Buying a USED 870 and then letting Remington know why you didn't buy a new one may be the best way to get a message across. as well as acquiring one great shotgun.
The 870s has not only an unmatched record for reliability and durability, but one that is not all that closely approached.
My HD 870 was built in November, 1950. I started shooting it around 1958, maybe 8000 rounds through it, many of them 00 and slugs. Still waiting on the very first malf. Still waiting with the other 4 870s here also.
Buying a USED 870 and then letting Remington know why you didn't buy a new one may be the best way to get a message across. as well as acquiring one great shotgun.
Most Mossberg defenders will cite the ergonomics as being superior, though I'm not that knowledgable about the Winchester control locations. The Mossberg safety is up top where it is accessibly with the thumb of either hand. The slide release is behind the trigger guard and the lifter stays up making reloading easier.
On the other hand, 870s, the concensus seems, have a better reputation for durability and reliability having a heavier receiver though with a crossbolt safety and a slide release in front of the trigger guard.
Where are the controls on the Winchester?
I've had both 870s and 500s and never had a failure with either though I've hardly given them enough hard use to be an expert in this area.
Valdez
On the other hand, 870s, the concensus seems, have a better reputation for durability and reliability having a heavier receiver though with a crossbolt safety and a slide release in front of the trigger guard.
Where are the controls on the Winchester?
I've had both 870s and 500s and never had a failure with either though I've hardly given them enough hard use to be an expert in this area.
Valdez
the location of the safty of the moss is certainly in the right place and is better tactically.however,the part is poorly designed and is usually the first thing to go on the moss series..the second is the carrier..
all the respected trainers that i have talked to have told me they have never seen a moss 500 or win def make it through a class..
all the respected trainers that i have talked to have told me they have never seen a moss 500 or win def make it through a class..
Captain Bligh
New member
Grapeshot, do you really think you're gonna need more than five rounds of 00 buck in a home defense situation? If so you either need (a) a side saddle or (b) more time at the range. The 870 carries 4 more rounds than I expect to need in a home defense situation.
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RJ
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RJ
Doc Hudson
New member
Mossberg M-500
I've used Mossberg shotguns for over twenty-five years. The only malfunction I've ever had was when I got a bad case of buckfever and short-shucked the action.
I have never had a part to break on a Mossberg and my fifteen year old Mossberg Riot gun will still shoot with the best of them. It still locks up tight also.
FWIW, a co-worker once bought a Remington M-870 just a few days before dove season opened. He took it to a major dove shoot opening day. The fool probably shot nearly a case of shells. By the end of the day, he could hold the shotgun vertical by the wrist, hit the slide release and thrust upward and open the action. Pulling down briskly would close the action and chamber a shell. I did it myself so I know he was not just pulling my leg.
Tell me that is the way a good shotgun is supposed to work. Tell me that is a good example of Remington longevity.
Doc Hudson
I've used Mossberg shotguns for over twenty-five years. The only malfunction I've ever had was when I got a bad case of buckfever and short-shucked the action.
I have never had a part to break on a Mossberg and my fifteen year old Mossberg Riot gun will still shoot with the best of them. It still locks up tight also.
FWIW, a co-worker once bought a Remington M-870 just a few days before dove season opened. He took it to a major dove shoot opening day. The fool probably shot nearly a case of shells. By the end of the day, he could hold the shotgun vertical by the wrist, hit the slide release and thrust upward and open the action. Pulling down briskly would close the action and chamber a shell. I did it myself so I know he was not just pulling my leg.
Tell me that is the way a good shotgun is supposed to work. Tell me that is a good example of Remington longevity.
Doc Hudson
Al Thompson
Staff Alumnus
Doc, I actually think that's great. Wish mine would do that.
Giz
Giz
grapeshot,maybe a little more info on the mossys will help..
take a look internally at both the remington and mossy.
there is a lot of differnce in the way they are made.
mossy uses very cheap cast parts where remington uses alot of machined steel.
i have been discouraged about remington and there latest quest for a safer shotgun.i would not own a remington with the keylock safty even if they have improved and fixed them.
buy a used one and send a message to remington!!!
as for the crimped magazine tube.dont sweat that.a tac shotgun does not need alot of capacity and further more it throws off the natural balance and feel of it so dont clutter it up and keep it simple.if you must the little dents can be removed with a dremel tool or a dent tube remover available from brownells.
as for the winchester the biggest problem i see with them it the ejector slipping out for place.if you dont get it in there just so it will slip out and lock up your hole gun.it is a very poor design.
also on the winchester is that it is just like the nova.the saftey is forward of the trigger gaurd.if you have no experiance with shotguns this will be no big deal but for me its a real pain.
dollar for dallar the nova is a workhorse of a shotgun.many people are getting them in the hunting blinds and in the tac world and having good results.if i was not so set in my ways i would buy one....
take a look internally at both the remington and mossy.
there is a lot of differnce in the way they are made.
mossy uses very cheap cast parts where remington uses alot of machined steel.
i have been discouraged about remington and there latest quest for a safer shotgun.i would not own a remington with the keylock safty even if they have improved and fixed them.
buy a used one and send a message to remington!!!
as for the crimped magazine tube.dont sweat that.a tac shotgun does not need alot of capacity and further more it throws off the natural balance and feel of it so dont clutter it up and keep it simple.if you must the little dents can be removed with a dremel tool or a dent tube remover available from brownells.
as for the winchester the biggest problem i see with them it the ejector slipping out for place.if you dont get it in there just so it will slip out and lock up your hole gun.it is a very poor design.
also on the winchester is that it is just like the nova.the saftey is forward of the trigger gaurd.if you have no experiance with shotguns this will be no big deal but for me its a real pain.
dollar for dallar the nova is a workhorse of a shotgun.many people are getting them in the hunting blinds and in the tac world and having good results.if i was not so set in my ways i would buy one....
Grapeshot, my tactical 870s make great hunting shotguns, the freezer still has plenty of venison in it.
A riot bbled, bead sighted 870 makes one H*lluva quail gun too.
Admittedly, a 10 lb Loudenboomer SP Mag with GR sights and bayonet is heavy toting in the woods, but a generic short bbled shotgun does OK for almost anything, assuming load,choke and shooter are up to it.
A riot bbled, bead sighted 870 makes one H*lluva quail gun too.
Admittedly, a 10 lb Loudenboomer SP Mag with GR sights and bayonet is heavy toting in the woods, but a generic short bbled shotgun does OK for almost anything, assuming load,choke and shooter are up to it.
gunmart - you gotta admit that a post like your first one is gonna get some people's dander up.
I've owned both an 870 with several different barrels, and now I own the 1300 Defender. I admit that the 870 I had was a little better quality. But so far I love my 1300. I considered both the HD 870 and 1300 when I bought the 1300. But the Winchester narrowly won out because of a couple of features it had over the Remington. And the main one was the 8 shell capacity. See, I didn't just buy it for home defense. I bought it for grizzly bear defense. I bought it for a serious defense weapon in any situation. And if I'm in the process of defending myself, I'm gonna feel better if I have 8 shots in the tube, than 4 or 5.
I have no opinion of the Mossberg. These things are inexpensive, I don't expect them to rival O/U's in terms of quality. But if I was in a life and death situation, I want more shots...
I've owned both an 870 with several different barrels, and now I own the 1300 Defender. I admit that the 870 I had was a little better quality. But so far I love my 1300. I considered both the HD 870 and 1300 when I bought the 1300. But the Winchester narrowly won out because of a couple of features it had over the Remington. And the main one was the 8 shell capacity. See, I didn't just buy it for home defense. I bought it for grizzly bear defense. I bought it for a serious defense weapon in any situation. And if I'm in the process of defending myself, I'm gonna feel better if I have 8 shots in the tube, than 4 or 5.
I have no opinion of the Mossberg. These things are inexpensive, I don't expect them to rival O/U's in terms of quality. But if I was in a life and death situation, I want more shots...