Will US LEO's become emasculated in the future?

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Freetacos

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In the movie (Demolition Man) Sylvester Stallone is a cop who travels into the future to find that law enforcement has been emasculated. The future cops are unable to exhibit any serious form of authority or anger, and if I can remember correctly they were only allowed to be armed with some type of anemic baton. The bad guy portrayed by Westly Snipes then proceeds to demolish all of the limpwristed police officers in one fell swoop.

Of course this is a fantasy movie, but often times sci-fi movies predict technologies and social movements with uncanny accuracy.

Who knows, with extreme political correctness, liberal laws tying LEO's arms behind their backs, and a persistently anti-LEO media, such images of cops becomming nothing more than glorified ushers could become plausible.
 
It's not just LE, it's all of our civilization. But you are right. This is the way things are going:barf: Feminization of Western Civ.
 
Ever read REALITY?

In the movie (Demolition Man) [sic] Sylvester Stallone is a cop who travels into the future to find that law enforcement has been emasculated. The future cops are unable to exhibit any serious form of authority or anger, and if I can remember correctly they were only allowed to be armed with some type of anemic baton. The bad guy portrayed by Westly [sic] Snipes then proceeds to demolish all of the limpwristed police officers in one fell swoop.

Of course this is a fantasy movie, but often times sci-fi movies predict technologies and social movements with uncanny accuracy.
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Oh, the "uncanny accuracy" of the predictions of helicopters in everyone's back yard, the colonization of space, nuclear holocaust, apes taking over the world.....:rolleyes:

If you read newspapers instead of watching fantasy films, you might see the exact opposite happening. The police are ceasing to be a civil force and becoming s paramilitary operation. The use of SWAT tactics for virtually every encounter, no-knock raids, complete with flash-bangs, "dynamic entry" into the wrong locales, etc. indicate the extent of this phenomenon. Try using Google for some research instead of watching B movies and you might get some real information.

Far from your feminization fears, "roid rage" is becoming an ever-greater problem as cops use illegal steroids to "bulk up" for encounters with BGs. Add body armor, those asinine "ninja" masks and duty belts that get more cluttered and heavier each year, and your "sissy" fears appear devoid of any basis in reality.

You might also learn how to use quotation marks and parentheses - they are not interchangeable.
 
Freetacos:

Don't worry about LEO's "not being allowed to show anger" or use weaponry.

The current two party system will assure you and any other LEO can show anger on the job and use all the Waco-like equipment and weaponry against the occupants of any building you choose, just like always.

Because the "War on Drugs" will allow all types of nifty "tear gas canister delivery" equipment and dynamic entry opportunities. Rest assured, the 4th Amendment has been null and void for some twenty five years.

Unfortuantely, things will stay exactly the same.
 
They already are emasculated. The next step is extinction. There are already plenty of police departments around the country that are severly underfunded and yet city bureaucrats keep piling on more and more responsibility. It will eventually reach the point where the cops decide it just isn't worth it anymore. At that point it will be useless to ask the military to step in unless there is an entire class war going on and nobody but rich people are in the military. I don't think it is likely that middle class soldiers will try to crush middle class citizens. I think anarchy is more likely than a full blown police state.
 
No, quite the opposite

It would seem that society is getting emasculated like that, generally, but the LEO presence is going in the opposite direction:

-Militarized SWAT teams
-Militarized gear for rank and file officers
-Office safety is all that matters; forget how that plays on civil rights
-Government (all branches, including the judiciary) constantly giving themselves and their LEOS more and more powers of privacy intrusion, use of force allowance, more and more things being crimes, all as a result of the War On Some Druggies, and the War On "Terror" *cough*, along with just general power grabs and federal largesse and corruption.

etc. It seems that the level of force used comes faster and is used with more brutality than in the past, espec. in law & order states like mine - no one bats an eye when the cops get ridicuoulsy trigger-happy... "aww, just the bad guys/druggies ....good, another one dead." is the attitude.

No, I think LEO power in the USA is riding an all-time high, and still on the increase, to all of our detriment.

About the only thing that provides a counterbalance to these trends are the extreme increase/prevalance in the last 15 years in the use of video cameras everywhere in society, and the small size of the cameras. When LEOs know there's a possibility of being videotaped, the unjust brutality is lessened some. Still exists on a massive scale in some places, in my belief, but has been increasing *at a decreasing rate* because of the use of videotape.
 
So yeah, from what I remember part of the reason they could have such powerless cops in the future according to Judge Dredd was because almost all crime, especially violent crime, had been eliminated. I don't see that happening anytime soon here...or, based on human nature, anytime ever. Murder, rape, and assault are nothing new, and I've seen little evidence of this nastier side of human nature going away.

Also, what FirstFreedom said. Cops have, if anything, been becoming more like Judge Dredd than the limpwristed cops he woke up surrounded by.

Lastly, this whole line of discussion seems to ignore the very idea that there may be some desirable middle ground. No, I would not feel particularly safe protected by a bunch of cops who are afraid to look at a criminal funny. On the other hand, I also don't feel particularly safe "protected" by cops who will taser me repeatedly while I'm handcuffed, punch me in the face, shoot me 30 times, or bust down my door and shoot my in my bed repeatedly because the tear gas made me move all suddenly and what not.

And this whole false choice between "officers must be able to use any force they feel like, any time, on anybody" and "oh noes! officers won't ever be able to use any force at all!" really pisses me off. It's right up there with the "oh noes! if we honor civil liberties the turrists are gon' nuke one of our cities!" logic.
 
It's right up there with the "oh noes! if we honor civil liberties the turrists are gon' nuke one of our cities!" logic.
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Ain't that the truth.

I never have figured out the ideology of George's "They hate our Freedom, so let's give it all up to "secure our freedom" rationale."

How does shooting some woman in the face with rubber bullets for the act of holding up a protest sign against "Globalization" (while she is INSIDE one of the now famous "Free Speech Zones") equate to "securing our freedom???

And why is a cop concerned with not being able to "show anger" on the job?

Hell, I can't do that on mine without getting fired. I suspect if I showed frustration by tazing a smart alleck client, or shooting one of my client's passangers for the mere act of being inside their car, I'd probably get fired too.

(Kind of hard to build a good month of commission checks showing anger on the job you know)

And this is because of some science fiction flick, that a cop is concerned?

I thought I was supposed to be the tin foil hat guy on this board.
 
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I don't worry about being "emasculated", I worry far more about most of the posters....Glad I am near retirement. Most aren't worth it any more...Let them take on the savages I will sit on the hill and laugh when they call...
 
It would seem that society is getting emasculated
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That is hard to argue with. You would have thought 9/11 would have been the wake up call, but apparently the country has gone into snooze mode.

-Militarized SWAT teams
-Militarized gear for rank and file officers
-Office safety is all that matters; forget how that plays on civil rights
-Government (all branches, including the judiciary) constantly giving themselves and their LEOS more and more powers of privacy intrusion, use of force allowance, more and more things being crimes, all as a result of the War On Some Druggies, and the War On "Terror"
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But the one thing that always stays constant is the low pay wage. As more and more things become criminalized the risks for the officers will become greater. Eventually they will say enough is enough and just stop responding (although I guess they could go rogue and form a junta).

A real nice model for all of this is San Francisco, where the people vote for silly laws that there is no way to enforce and then demand that the police officers enforce the laws, but not forcefully.
 
But the one thing that always stays constant is the low pay wage. As more and more things become criminalized the risks for the officers will become greater.
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Well, there are two obvious ways to fix this...increase pay or stop creating so many criminals. I know which I prefer.

BOTH!
 
Stop creating criminals

By not electing them. You Leo's will get thrown in the same pile with the civvies. They'll take your guns, put a chip in you and give you a club and call you "bobbies". Then we will remember you took our guns. We have two years to throw them all out or our freedom will be lost.
Those Who give up their freedom for security deserve neither. If this is security, I'll take danger any day.
 
The future cops are unable to exhibit any serious form of authority or anger
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If you feel you need to show anger on the job, you need to find a new job to be on, my friend. Be angrey, be very angry if it suits you, but you have no business showing it.
 
lillysdad says "If you feel you need to show anger on the job, you need to find a new job to be on, my friend. Be angrey, be very angry if it suits you, but you have no business showing it."



... So if your are a LEO and someone shoots you in the leg you are supposed to smile and be polite. Whether you like it or not emotions are a natural human response to many events. You can display anger tactfully to get your point accross, especially if you are supposed to exert authority. So don't expect LEO's to be labotomised just because that is how you would prefer to do your job.
 
I never once said you cannot, or should not be angry. I said, quite plainly, you should not show anger as a part of the job, and I will stand by that. Professionalism demands it. This job has no place for temper tantrums, machismo, or any other fancy word used for fits of anger.

For some reason, I doubt you had being shot, or a risk against your own life, in mind when you used that phrase in the original post. When the crap has hit the oscilator, and your life is in danger, you are no longer on the job, in my opinion. You cease being a cop, and resume being a human. After the threat is neutralized, you are a cop again, and must be professional.

This is a very hard concept to grasp, but it is very well exemplified by the cop who shoots a suspect, then immediately renders aid to that suspect. Thats the way it works.
 
liliysdad, sorry to break it to you but the world is not black and white. It is not that you are angry all the time or that you have no emotions at all. Being a professional means using all of your senses (emotional intelligence) and other forms of intelligence, and using appropriate tactful responses. Everything is not an either/or proposition.

Also, remember that you are not a slave to your emotions, you have the ability to make your own decisions. ;)
 
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