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BAMF,
You must be completely devoid of humor--how in the heck can you give a question like that a serious answer?
But, since you did, I have a few more. Please be thorough in your answers.
Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow?
Do you think that it will ever rain again?
Do you think that eventually the U.S. will elect a new president?
Do you feel more like you do now than you did when you first read this post.
You must be completely devoid of humor--how in the heck can you give a question like that a serious answer?
But, since you did, I have a few more. Please be thorough in your answers.
Do you think the sun will rise tomorrow?
Do you think that it will ever rain again?
Do you think that eventually the U.S. will elect a new president?
Do you feel more like you do now than you did when you first read this post.
John,
I generally will answer any question regardless if I think its intelligent or not. Unlike you, I don't ridicule others or try to belittle them. Does it make you feel superior to others to try to insult others?
And to answer your questions,
1. No the sun does not rise, it's an illusion created by the rotation of the earth.
2. I hope so.
3. Not sure, only if people can figure out how to vote properly.
I generally will answer any question regardless if I think its intelligent or not. Unlike you, I don't ridicule others or try to belittle them. Does it make you feel superior to others to try to insult others?
And to answer your questions,
1. No the sun does not rise, it's an illusion created by the rotation of the earth.
2. I hope so.
3. Not sure, only if people can figure out how to vote properly.
P
PreserveFreedom
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If they do, it won't be for another 60 years or so. The 1911 was good for about 75 years, why not the Beretta? One reason for not changing with the wind like some police departments is how many stocked items they would have to replace. Think of all those Beretta holsters, magazines, field maintainence kits, and manuals. Also, we can't forget the guys that are trained with their Beretta that would have to be educated otherwise.
Like everything which preceded it, the M9 will be replaced. Who knows what it will be? It could be something yet to be invented but I would hazard to guess it would be caseless ammunition which is electronically ignited and a disposable magazine. The ejection port may be a feature just in case the ammunition fails.
Larry Wright
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I don't think the M9 will be replaced anytime soon because it serves its purpose. It's a sidearm for personal protection for personnel that generally aren't (and shouldn't be) hooking and jabbing, exceptions being machine gunners, MPs, etc. The truth is if your in a pistolero gunfight in wartime your doo doo is under-strengthed. My ever so humble opinion.
Most likely not for a long time.
The only way I could see them doing away with the M9 is if they decided to unify sidearms for the entire Nato Alliance. They already tried to solve supposed ammo logistics problems by adopting the 9mm. They even phased out the 8inch Howitzer system in favor of the 155mm so we could get ammo from our "allies".
Politics play a major role in any decision regardless of what the military wants. I suspect the first one to put a hickie on a politicians ass would definitely get the contract if a new weapon would ever be chosen.
So I say to Glock...get your chapstick out buddies and start practicing now!
Good Shooting
RED
The only way I could see them doing away with the M9 is if they decided to unify sidearms for the entire Nato Alliance. They already tried to solve supposed ammo logistics problems by adopting the 9mm. They even phased out the 8inch Howitzer system in favor of the 155mm so we could get ammo from our "allies".
Politics play a major role in any decision regardless of what the military wants. I suspect the first one to put a hickie on a politicians ass would definitely get the contract if a new weapon would ever be chosen.
So I say to Glock...get your chapstick out buddies and start practicing now!
Good Shooting
RED
David Wile
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Hey BAMF,
Some folks are devoid of common civility. I also wonder how long the Beretta will last before it is replaced. While the 1911 lasted a truly long time, the M14 was here and gone before you knew it. Does that mean the M14 was a bad battle weapon? I would not think so.
Thanks for your comments. They were interesting.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
Some folks are devoid of common civility. I also wonder how long the Beretta will last before it is replaced. While the 1911 lasted a truly long time, the M14 was here and gone before you knew it. Does that mean the M14 was a bad battle weapon? I would not think so.
Thanks for your comments. They were interesting.
Best wishes,
Dave Wile
While I think that many things can and should be improved in the military, the side arm is far down the list. Better training would be much better.
For the most part, there probably wouldn't be much difference if they used Colt SA's. If you are down to pistols, you are not coming home for christmas.
I thought the SIG is an option for those with smaller hands. A specific model of H&K .45 ACP was made for various special forces, and the 1911 survives in special forces also.
Change is the way of life.
For the most part, there probably wouldn't be much difference if they used Colt SA's. If you are down to pistols, you are not coming home for christmas.
I thought the SIG is an option for those with smaller hands. A specific model of H&K .45 ACP was made for various special forces, and the 1911 survives in special forces also.
Change is the way of life.
It seems they have begun to go in a different direction or at least offer other solutions. Here is an article that outlines the Sig 228's purpose and need for the military as a "substitute-standard sidearm for U. S. Army personnel". They explain that ,"The new M11 is intended for use by military police, flightcrews, armorcrews, intelligence and CID agents, general officers, and any additionally approved personnel who either have hands too small to effectively manage the larger M9 or simply prefer it to the M9, subject to availability."
http://www.gunnery.net/sig/army-sig.html
http://www.gunnery.net/sig/army-sig.html
Berettas may disappear if Italy drops out of NATO (if you weren't aware, one of the reasons Italy stayed in NATO was because the USA caved-in and agreed to purchase more Italian armaments.) This is why the Beretta M9 was adopted by US forces as the standard NATO sidearm.
Aside from that, 9MM will remain in primary use for decades, if not longer, worldwide. We Americans sure like our firearms, but they get used for real on other continents where the real fighting happens. 9MM parabellum ammunition is the standard pistol/SMG round in N. America, S. America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, S. & SE Asia.
Unfortunately, no one is going to bring back the 1911 in .45ACP just because Jeff Cooper likes it better.
Aside from that, 9MM will remain in primary use for decades, if not longer, worldwide. We Americans sure like our firearms, but they get used for real on other continents where the real fighting happens. 9MM parabellum ammunition is the standard pistol/SMG round in N. America, S. America, Europe, Middle East, Africa, S. & SE Asia.
Unfortunately, no one is going to bring back the 1911 in .45ACP just because Jeff Cooper likes it better.
For over two decades, I have enjoyed the argument about which handgun the services should have, and which one is really the best. Yes, the beretta is a good gun, yes, there are better ones in better calibers. However, I would like to bring a bit of personal perspective to the fray. In 1966, I was a young pup of a gun nut and a young paratrooper in an infantry company in Viet Nam. Our battalion had an enlightened policy. If you wanted to carry a handgun, you got someone to mail you one from the states or you went to the arms room and checked a 1911A1. For the first month or so that I spent in the field, I proudly carried the .45 and lovengly cleaned it every day after I had cleaned my M-16. Another month of running up and down steep mountains and a couple of firefights later, I regretfully concluded that the burden of the weight of the .45, holster, cleaning gear, and magazines would be better utilized by carrying a couple of extra M-16 magazines or a couple of extra M-26 frags. I surrendered the .45 and accessories to the 1st Sgt. and he sent them back on the next log bird. For the next ten months that I spent in the field, I never felt the loss of a handgun. If you have access to an M-16, Machine gun or grenade launcher the .45 is pretty puny. For night defensive position, a frag grenade has a hundred fold more utility that a handgun. As I remember, no one carried a .45 for more that a few days after reporting to the field. As I recollect, no privately owned handgun survived more that a few months of monsoon and mud. If the do-do is so deep that you need a new piece, if yours burns up from long sustained bursts or gets snached our of your hands or sustains terminal battle damage, one can usually move a few bodies and get whatever replacement is needed.
Back to the argument, who needs a handgun in the armed services. Pre-WWII, handguns were purchased by officers and worn as a symbol of authority, issued to M.P.s and airmen and that was about it. I will concede that a handgun is very desirable when it is manditory to be armed but not necessary. When it is absolutely necessary to be armed, a handgun probably won't do the job or offer the comfort that a fully auto long arm provides.
just my two cents worth
Shoot often and safely
Jay
Back to the argument, who needs a handgun in the armed services. Pre-WWII, handguns were purchased by officers and worn as a symbol of authority, issued to M.P.s and airmen and that was about it. I will concede that a handgun is very desirable when it is manditory to be armed but not necessary. When it is absolutely necessary to be armed, a handgun probably won't do the job or offer the comfort that a fully auto long arm provides.
just my two cents worth
Shoot often and safely
Jay
Bamf,
Don't be silly--of course it's not insulting people that makes me feel superior. What makes you feel superior?
Good catch on my question #1--believe it or not I actually did know the bit of trivia regarding the difference between the rotatation of the earth versus the rising of the sun--I suppose I'll know better than to post another question using the common vernacular.
By the way, you never answered my last question.
Oh, and given your response, I think I'm safe in standing by my original allegation regarding a missing sense of humor--no offense, of course.
David,
Civility is far from common--hadn't you noticed? I'll have to call your sense of humor into question too, unfortunately...
Y'all take care now--and try to see the funny side of things now and again.
Don't be silly--of course it's not insulting people that makes me feel superior. What makes you feel superior?
Good catch on my question #1--believe it or not I actually did know the bit of trivia regarding the difference between the rotatation of the earth versus the rising of the sun--I suppose I'll know better than to post another question using the common vernacular.
By the way, you never answered my last question.
Oh, and given your response, I think I'm safe in standing by my original allegation regarding a missing sense of humor--no offense, of course.
David,
Civility is far from common--hadn't you noticed? I'll have to call your sense of humor into question too, unfortunately...
Y'all take care now--and try to see the funny side of things now and again.
Excuse me sir, there is a difference between having a sense of humor and mocking people. I don't mock people, you do. And well John apparently other people don't have senses of humor since they answered the question seriously.
Well I definitely can call your civility into question, I generally find everyone on TFL to be cordial and polite...guess you're one of the exceptions.
As for your last question...
Not really sure what you're saying here...
Well I definitely can call your civility into question, I generally find everyone on TFL to be cordial and polite...guess you're one of the exceptions.
As for your last question...
Not really sure what you're saying here...
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