Which is the Banner of Evil?</B>
by Jeff Allen
One of the hottest "got'cha" issues for the Democrats this election year has been the chastising of any politician who refused to take the stand demanding the removal of the Confederate battle flag from any position of display on public property. The most notable example has been the battle over the place of the flag at state capital building in Columbia, South Carolina.
This issue falls under the category of "no brainer" for the Democrats because it plays well to their major constituencies, particularly black Americans, and carries little risk of alienating any of their core supporters or special interest groups. It also nicely casts any opponents of flag removal as racist, since, as all good sociocrats know, the Confederate flag is the banner under which the most horrible of atrocities was committed by Americans.
Or is it?
In 1830, the government of the United States, under President Andrew Jackson, passed the Indian Removal Act to force all remaining Indian tribes east of the Mississippi River to move west to the Indian Territories, or what is now known as Oklahoma. Coincidentally, in 1830, gold was discovered on Cherokee lands, and lotteries were begun to auction off the mining rights to whites. Cherokee were, by law, not allowed to mine for gold.
In December 1835, a small group of Cherokee led by John Ridge, signed the Treaty of New Echota, ceding all Cherokee land east of the Mississippi for $5 million and a promise of land in the Indian Territories. Only 300 - 500 Cherokee were present at the treaty signing, of which only 20 signed the document, none of whom were elected officials of the Cherokee Nation. Though more than 15,000 Cherokee opposed it, the treaty was ratified in 1836 by the U.S. Senate.
In 1838, federal troops and militia began rounding up the Cherokee for forced removal into concentration camps. Families were separated, and looters burned and occupied homesteads as the Cherokee were interned. Due to the worst drought in years, conditions for travel were terrible. Chief John Ross asked that the removal be delayed until the fall. His request was ultimately granted, provided the Cherokee remain in the internment camps until their departure. Many of the Cherokee were poorly clothed, having been forced at gunpoint from their homes, and refused offers of clothing from the government because they perceived it as an acknowledgment of the validity of their removal.
By November 1838 over 15,000 Cherokee began the 800 - mile forced march to the Indian Territories. Many died along the way of exposure or disease, such as cholera, smallpox and dysentery, most protected from the elements only by the single blanket they had been issued by the government. To make matters worse, torrential rain, and then a frozen Mississippi created tremendous hardship for the travelers. By March of 1839, most of the survivors had arrived in the Indian Territories. Of the original parties, it is estimated that as many as 4,000 did not survive the journey, many of them children and the elderly.
On December 29, 1890 Sioux Chief Big Foot and 350 of his followers were camped on the banks of Wounded Knee Creek, surrounded by Union troops who were there for the explicit purpose of arresting Big Foot and disarming his warriors. Chief Sitting Bull had been killed just 14 days earlier in an attempt to arrest him, a fact of which Big Foot was aware.
The cause of this unrest was the growing movement among the Sioux led by a Paiute shaman called Wavoka. He prophesied a great resurgence among the Indians, with a new soil covering the land and burying the white man. The Ghost Dance was practiced as a way to bring about this event. The dance spread throughout the Dakota reservations, causing such alarm among whites that an Indian Agent with the U.S. government called in soldiers for the protection of the settlers.
During the attempt to arrest Big Foot, shots rang out. The troops opened fire on the Indians with Hotchkiss guns and drove them into the nearby ravine where they were slaughtered. When the fighting finally stopped, over 300 Sioux and 25 Union soldiers were dead, including Chief Big Foot.
In his excellent article "The Feds versus the Indians," Thomas J. DiLorenzo quotes General William Tecumseh Sherman, the nefarious pillager of the South, who shared his "enlightened" view on what he referred to as "the final solution to the Indian problem":
"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier."
"We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux," Sherman wrote to Ulysses S. Grant (commanding general of the federal army) in 1866, "even to their extermination, men, women and children." The Sioux must "feel the superior power of the Government." Sherman vowed to remain in the West" till the Indians are all killed or taken to a country where they can be watched."
"During an assault," he instructed his troops, "the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age.
DiLorenzo also makes reference to the irony that former slaves were recruited, the infamous "Buffalo Soldiers," to participate in the genocide of the Indian tribes.
These are but a few of the better known examples of the atrocities that have been committed against the Native American peoples of this nation under the banner of the Stars and Stripes.
While the institution of slavery is an abomination, one would be hard pressed to find an equivalent action by the government of either the United or Confederate States against freemen or black slaves. Yet, it is demanded that we remove the Confederate battle flag from public display because it hurts the feelings and sensibilities of contemporary black Americans, and stands, in their minds, as a symbol of oppression; a position that most liberal politicians are more than happy to embrace.
So, let's have it, Mr. Gore:
On the day that the members of A.I.M. come knocking on your door and demand the removal of the American flag from all public display because of the crimes and atrocities committed against their ancestors, what will your response be?
On the day that the Native Americans come calling with the grievance that they are offended by the flag of terror, evil and oppression flying over our state and federal buildings, will you still be so smug in your conviction that removal of the offending banner is the solution?
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I keep reading these type of stories and the word “PRECEDENT” keeps coming into mind. Why?.......Well,I guess I have always been told that there is a reason for everything and everything has a reason.
The thought that keeps recurring is that we have had this discussion so many times on the defense of our Great Flag of the United States of America. Yeah, I know the argument about free speech and all of that other Bull that keeps being cited, but all in all a lot of us hold both the Confederate flag and the U.S. flag with the highest reverence.
Now to the point, If the demise of the Confederate flag is attributed to the offense of someone and the atrocities committed under it, then it seems Mr. Gore or who ever is going to be in trouble. Or is he?
Maybe the original intent was to establish a PRECEDENT of law to be instituted to cover something that the current major minority fully supports. Yes, the complete removal of the Confederate Flag.
Then when the Supreme Court is called upon to make a decision on the U.S. flags "Offense" the PRECEDENT will have to be abided by. After all, what’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander, right?
It's an old trick to establish precedent and then turn someone’s agreement with you on a related subject against them on the one you wish to adjecate.
Now how can all this happen? Easy.....Just keep going along with the Pied Piper and sing and dance your Constitution away.
I can just see the opinion now........We the Supreme Court of the United States of America opine that the flag of the United States of America has had so many attrocities comitted under it that we must remove it from sight of those that are offended.
The Red, White and Blue. Remove the Red from the flag, the color that represents the blood of all those oppressed by it through the years. Leaving the color White for the new Purity and the color Blue for the unification of the world, a New World of Order. A place where offenses of the past can be put aside and a new start be made. A new start under the flag of the United Nations of the World, Blue and White.
The Constitution will also be null and void at this time because it is outdated, and we can't be governed by a 200 year old document, can we? We have to many new situations to address and the whole world will need to be uniform in its laws and requirements. After all, the world isn't as big as it once was, we have communication and around the world travel in only hours.
We cannot remain in the bondage of the past....... We must join the progress to the future and rejoin the world to as it was originally,one and whole..............
Just as we had "The Framers" of the original constitution, we will have the "Framers" of the New World Constitution. I know Al can surely invent one...................
The U.N. will take all your problems away. We we no longer be the UNITED STATES of the OFFENDED.
I keep reading these type of stories and Yeah, it seems that word PRECEDENT is a pretty big word after all.
PROSOUTH
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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
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To swallow and follow, whether old doctrine or new propaganda, is a weakness still dominating the human mind. (C.P.Gillman)
[This message has been edited by PROSOUTH (edited September 02, 2000).]
by Jeff Allen
One of the hottest "got'cha" issues for the Democrats this election year has been the chastising of any politician who refused to take the stand demanding the removal of the Confederate battle flag from any position of display on public property. The most notable example has been the battle over the place of the flag at state capital building in Columbia, South Carolina.
This issue falls under the category of "no brainer" for the Democrats because it plays well to their major constituencies, particularly black Americans, and carries little risk of alienating any of their core supporters or special interest groups. It also nicely casts any opponents of flag removal as racist, since, as all good sociocrats know, the Confederate flag is the banner under which the most horrible of atrocities was committed by Americans.
Or is it?
In 1830, the government of the United States, under President Andrew Jackson, passed the Indian Removal Act to force all remaining Indian tribes east of the Mississippi River to move west to the Indian Territories, or what is now known as Oklahoma. Coincidentally, in 1830, gold was discovered on Cherokee lands, and lotteries were begun to auction off the mining rights to whites. Cherokee were, by law, not allowed to mine for gold.
In December 1835, a small group of Cherokee led by John Ridge, signed the Treaty of New Echota, ceding all Cherokee land east of the Mississippi for $5 million and a promise of land in the Indian Territories. Only 300 - 500 Cherokee were present at the treaty signing, of which only 20 signed the document, none of whom were elected officials of the Cherokee Nation. Though more than 15,000 Cherokee opposed it, the treaty was ratified in 1836 by the U.S. Senate.
In 1838, federal troops and militia began rounding up the Cherokee for forced removal into concentration camps. Families were separated, and looters burned and occupied homesteads as the Cherokee were interned. Due to the worst drought in years, conditions for travel were terrible. Chief John Ross asked that the removal be delayed until the fall. His request was ultimately granted, provided the Cherokee remain in the internment camps until their departure. Many of the Cherokee were poorly clothed, having been forced at gunpoint from their homes, and refused offers of clothing from the government because they perceived it as an acknowledgment of the validity of their removal.
By November 1838 over 15,000 Cherokee began the 800 - mile forced march to the Indian Territories. Many died along the way of exposure or disease, such as cholera, smallpox and dysentery, most protected from the elements only by the single blanket they had been issued by the government. To make matters worse, torrential rain, and then a frozen Mississippi created tremendous hardship for the travelers. By March of 1839, most of the survivors had arrived in the Indian Territories. Of the original parties, it is estimated that as many as 4,000 did not survive the journey, many of them children and the elderly.
On December 29, 1890 Sioux Chief Big Foot and 350 of his followers were camped on the banks of Wounded Knee Creek, surrounded by Union troops who were there for the explicit purpose of arresting Big Foot and disarming his warriors. Chief Sitting Bull had been killed just 14 days earlier in an attempt to arrest him, a fact of which Big Foot was aware.
The cause of this unrest was the growing movement among the Sioux led by a Paiute shaman called Wavoka. He prophesied a great resurgence among the Indians, with a new soil covering the land and burying the white man. The Ghost Dance was practiced as a way to bring about this event. The dance spread throughout the Dakota reservations, causing such alarm among whites that an Indian Agent with the U.S. government called in soldiers for the protection of the settlers.
During the attempt to arrest Big Foot, shots rang out. The troops opened fire on the Indians with Hotchkiss guns and drove them into the nearby ravine where they were slaughtered. When the fighting finally stopped, over 300 Sioux and 25 Union soldiers were dead, including Chief Big Foot.
In his excellent article "The Feds versus the Indians," Thomas J. DiLorenzo quotes General William Tecumseh Sherman, the nefarious pillager of the South, who shared his "enlightened" view on what he referred to as "the final solution to the Indian problem":
"We are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress of the railroads.... I regard the railroad as the most important element now in progress to facilitate the military interests of our Frontier."
"We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux," Sherman wrote to Ulysses S. Grant (commanding general of the federal army) in 1866, "even to their extermination, men, women and children." The Sioux must "feel the superior power of the Government." Sherman vowed to remain in the West" till the Indians are all killed or taken to a country where they can be watched."
"During an assault," he instructed his troops, "the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age.
DiLorenzo also makes reference to the irony that former slaves were recruited, the infamous "Buffalo Soldiers," to participate in the genocide of the Indian tribes.
These are but a few of the better known examples of the atrocities that have been committed against the Native American peoples of this nation under the banner of the Stars and Stripes.
While the institution of slavery is an abomination, one would be hard pressed to find an equivalent action by the government of either the United or Confederate States against freemen or black slaves. Yet, it is demanded that we remove the Confederate battle flag from public display because it hurts the feelings and sensibilities of contemporary black Americans, and stands, in their minds, as a symbol of oppression; a position that most liberal politicians are more than happy to embrace.
So, let's have it, Mr. Gore:
On the day that the members of A.I.M. come knocking on your door and demand the removal of the American flag from all public display because of the crimes and atrocities committed against their ancestors, what will your response be?
On the day that the Native Americans come calling with the grievance that they are offended by the flag of terror, evil and oppression flying over our state and federal buildings, will you still be so smug in your conviction that removal of the offending banner is the solution?
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I keep reading these type of stories and the word “PRECEDENT” keeps coming into mind. Why?.......Well,I guess I have always been told that there is a reason for everything and everything has a reason.
The thought that keeps recurring is that we have had this discussion so many times on the defense of our Great Flag of the United States of America. Yeah, I know the argument about free speech and all of that other Bull that keeps being cited, but all in all a lot of us hold both the Confederate flag and the U.S. flag with the highest reverence.
Now to the point, If the demise of the Confederate flag is attributed to the offense of someone and the atrocities committed under it, then it seems Mr. Gore or who ever is going to be in trouble. Or is he?
Maybe the original intent was to establish a PRECEDENT of law to be instituted to cover something that the current major minority fully supports. Yes, the complete removal of the Confederate Flag.
Then when the Supreme Court is called upon to make a decision on the U.S. flags "Offense" the PRECEDENT will have to be abided by. After all, what’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander, right?
It's an old trick to establish precedent and then turn someone’s agreement with you on a related subject against them on the one you wish to adjecate.
Now how can all this happen? Easy.....Just keep going along with the Pied Piper and sing and dance your Constitution away.
I can just see the opinion now........We the Supreme Court of the United States of America opine that the flag of the United States of America has had so many attrocities comitted under it that we must remove it from sight of those that are offended.
The Red, White and Blue. Remove the Red from the flag, the color that represents the blood of all those oppressed by it through the years. Leaving the color White for the new Purity and the color Blue for the unification of the world, a New World of Order. A place where offenses of the past can be put aside and a new start be made. A new start under the flag of the United Nations of the World, Blue and White.
The Constitution will also be null and void at this time because it is outdated, and we can't be governed by a 200 year old document, can we? We have to many new situations to address and the whole world will need to be uniform in its laws and requirements. After all, the world isn't as big as it once was, we have communication and around the world travel in only hours.
We cannot remain in the bondage of the past....... We must join the progress to the future and rejoin the world to as it was originally,one and whole..............
Just as we had "The Framers" of the original constitution, we will have the "Framers" of the New World Constitution. I know Al can surely invent one...................
The U.N. will take all your problems away. We we no longer be the UNITED STATES of the OFFENDED.
I keep reading these type of stories and Yeah, it seems that word PRECEDENT is a pretty big word after all.
PROSOUTH
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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
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To swallow and follow, whether old doctrine or new propaganda, is a weakness still dominating the human mind. (C.P.Gillman)
[This message has been edited by PROSOUTH (edited September 02, 2000).]