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Moderators, please move this if it is in the wrong spot. Among the many things I absolutely love, it is reading about any and all wildcat chamberings. To go with that passion, I thought I would take the chance and ask members of this forum, that if you have any writeups to go with any "extra" dummy wildcat rounds, I would be most interested. Not asking to buy large amounts, just asking for the courtesy of the members here to oblige and send a single dummy round for any wildcat they mess with, and if possible, a little write up about it, in your own words.

So please members, if you are interested and have no problem helping out, please either message me here or send a pm. All help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, and best of a new year to all members
Josh
 
I have acquired almost every book I can locate, and as informative as they are, I was just hoping members on this forum would like to extend a bit of help also. It is one thing to pick up a book and just read, but I would love to have the help of the members here to not only offer up a small write up but also a dummy round or rounds of the wildcats they mess with

My apologies if I am asking to much of the members here, but I sincerely hope there are people that would not have a problem helping out a bit
 
As stated , start with Ackley. Compare data for the various A.I. ( Ackley Improved) chamberings to the standard chamberings , a decent place to start would be with the .22-250 , which of course itself started it's career as a Wildcat round prior to Remington adopting it for production (originally a .250-3000 Savage necked to .224 , there were a buncha versions from different folks) compare it to Ackley's version which had virtually no taper and a 40 degree shoulder as opposed to a 28 degree shoulder , the AI runs quite a bit faster than the standard .22-250.

Looking at those two will also bring you to the .220 Swift which again started life as a wildcat when Wotkyns necked down the .250-3000 to .224 ( notice a common denominator?) though the round put into production by Winchester was based on the old 6mm Lee Navy necked back.

Exploration of these will lead you various places , including to the yet hotter .224s such as the .22-284 and the .22-243 Middlestead , take a look at the hot .20s while you're at it.

Perhaps you'd like to take a look at Charles Newton's work too , along with Dick Casull ( protege of Ackley and developer of the .454 Casull) , Elmer Keith too , though he is not often thought of as a " Wildcatter" without his hotrodding of the .44 special we wouldn't have the .44 mag. Bryce Towsley , Townsend Whelen , Kenny Jarret , Mark Kexel (.277 Wolverine)....can't forget Harry Pope though he's thought of more as a maker and rifleman , H.H. Roberts who brought us the .257 Roberts , a cartridge which I still shoot a LOT and one of the best .25s of all time which was a 7 x 57 necked to .257 , the original version was a 15 degree shoulder but Remington changed it to a 20 degree when it went factory.

I could go on at length ( a LOT of length) about a HUGE variety of chamberings but this might provide you a small based to begin exploration.

In closing , an example of how " wildcatting" has had a dramatic effect on modern shooting...........the .250-3000 led to the .300 Savage , the .300 led to .308 winchester , and the .308 led to .243 , .260 ,7mm-08 , .358 federal and .358 win and a host of others.
 
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That answers alot of my questions, but still would be nice to have fellow members donate a dummy round. I can offer to help with postage if necessary
 
My intentions are very simple actually. I love collecting odd ball ammo (in this case looking for dummy rounds), So I wanted to ask members here to help with aqcuiring a dummy round for each wild cat they mess with and a small write up. No profit, or anything. Just good hearted interests in the multitude of wildcats out there

I am not interested in bouncing around from site to site, or book to book, tho I do enjoy that very much. Just the simple quest for obtaining a dummy round and a small write up for each wildcat messed with.

Josh
 
Next time I'm set up to load some 6x45mm, I'll throw together a dummy for you.

It's a simple wildcat: Neck .223 Rem / 5.56x45mm up to 6mm, and you're done.
Since I can use any piece of .223/5.56 brass (that's readily available for free) and any extra 6mm bullet that's sitting around, there's no real loss for me.


I really would like to help you with .458 SOCOM and .475 Tremor, as well. ...But those cartridges are expensive to run. The brass is expensive. The bullets are expensive.
I do have a few pieces of brass that were rendered unusable due to bad primers that allowed gas cutting in the primer pocket. I might be able to come up with a cheap bullet to stuff in one for .458 SOCOM. .475 Tremor would be a stretch, though. Even "cheap" bullets are about $1 apiece ... and then I'd have an odd number.
(.475 Tremor is .458 SOCOM necked to .475.)
 
For myself,the reason I'm not going to help you out,is this:
Every government regulatory agency has the power to write regulations with the force of law.
There are thousands of pages in single bills passed through Congress.And those create more regulations

My point,none of us know what laws or regulations are SOMEWHERE on a book,someplace.How will that law or regulation might be interpeted?
So what can I count on,as lawful behavior? What is OK?
Posting here is traceable documentation.What are all of the Postal Reg possibilities?
I don't know you.You certainly could be someone who has smoked pot within the last year or so,or a felon,or other form of "prohibited person".

So,theoretically,by answering your request,am I involved in some interstate conspiracy to use the post office to traffic ammunition to a prohibited person????
Maybe not.
But I'd rather not have to even wonder about it.

Nothing personal.

My current wildcats:.375 Taylor.I neck .458 Win down to .375.I use a 416 Taylor sizing die as an intermediate step.It fits in a standard 30-06 6 length magnum action.I shoot 260 to 270 gr bullets at 2650 fps with a fairly mild load

I use a 30-338..I neck .338 win down to 30 cal.Essentially identical to a .308 Norma.I prefer the slightly shorter case length over the 300 Win Mag so I can seat heavier bullets longer.Out of the 26 in bbl,I get 2900 fps with a 200 gr Accubond.At 700 yds it hits like a 30-40 Krag at 100 yds.

I have used my 257 Ackley Improved for many years.It is simply a case of fireforming .257 Roberts in my chamber.I like 115 Ballistic tips.I get just over 3000 fps from a 23 in bbl.Its not a book load.

Just about every innovation in factory cartridge brass has led to a family of creations,from outstanding to absurd.I agree,the Ackley books are a good reference.
 
rebelcountry27, I just seen your post on LRH site asking for cases and I seen your on another site also. How many site you on?
 
Including this one, 5. Is there a problem with me signed up on different sites asking for this?

I signed up with all the others at different times in the past, so I am not quite sure what the problem is here. I am not trying to break forum rules, nor am I trying to profit or take someones idea of a round. I am only trying to work on a hobby of mine, and reaching out to other people for help. If for some reason I have broke a rule here on this site, I am sorry. That is not my intention, all I was trying to do was locate any wildcat I could, and have a little documentation on it saying what it can do and any other info on it.
 
Is it a problem? No. I think the responses (or lack thereof) indicate what the members think of your idea. Thats all.
 
Well, I will take the consideration of all members here, and ask that the mods remove this from the forum. I am sorry if I have rubbed members the wrong way

Let me ask everyone here then first, how would you all like me to go about it?
 
I am not interested in bouncing around from site to site, or book to book, tho I do enjoy that very much. Just the simple quest for obtaining a dummy round and a small write up for each wildcat messed with.

Josh

Including this one, 5. Is there a problem with me signed up on different sites asking for this?
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Is it just me or do the two above statements seem to be rather diametrically opposed.

Discuss wildcats , sure and at length. Send out ammo , dummy or otherwise to an entity that I have zero direct knowledge of? Nope not so much , not in todays political and legal climate.
 
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I was asked how many sites I am signed on with, and I was honest about that part. I have no problem speaking at length about myself, or allowing any single person on here ask to assure themselves of what ever need be. When I signed on to this site, I was hoping and expecting a friendly site. And in some ways I have found that, but in that I am not looking for anything but friendly help, I have found very little. If I was after some law breaking item, I could understand that. But I am not. I enjoy reading about wildcats, and I also enjoy writing about some too. The reason I wanted to ask for everyones help here is because I do enjoy the vastness of all that is out there. Yes, there are tons of books and probably a ton more sites out there, and I admit I look and read more than I care to admit. But it would be nice to find people who have no problem helping others in a hobby that they enjoy. This is probably the only site I have signed up with that inhibits this. I could understand if I was looking for illegal items, but alas I am not. I am only seeking to further my knowledge of all things wildcat. If a person creates a wildcat, and another seeks to learn about it, then they ask. That is what I was and am trying to do. I apologize to all those who think ill of me, or see me as stupid for asking such an apparently horrid subject. But for me, it is not just the fact of reading about them, but also the enjoyment of collecting any wildcat out there I can. All I wanted from the get go was simple help, nothing more and nothing less.
 
Rebel I certainly understand your interest. I wish you well on your endeavor. My father would always pick up ammo he wasn't familiar with and also collected the remington, winchester, and many other ammo displays. Some were in beautiful boxes and others were on homemade displays but contained all the various current cartridges. My favorite is his sharps cartridge display. Its the best conversation piece in my gunroom. I don't reload so I can't offer much. I also understand the hesitation of people here to not mail any ammo to you but maybe if you work a deal with your local gunshop and they can send this ammo to a ffl dealer they may feel more comfortable.
 
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What is it that I am asking help for that is creating this problem? I ask this so maybe I can correct it, or try to atleast solve as much of it as I can
 
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