Wider benefits of a self defense incident

Jffal

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Public service from a private American. Hopefully, the powers-that-be, which were unable to protect any of these women, wont hold the citizen accountable for carrying a weapon in gunphobic NJ.

I wonder if he could use a helping hand?

Jeff

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/10598807.htm


Posted on Sun, Jan. 09, 2005

Editorial | Self-defense in Camden
A shooting not senseless
There are too many handguns in the wrong hands in Camden, which had 54 homicides in 2004. But the city is fortunate that one of those guns was in the hands recently of a shop owner named Ngoc Le.
An immigrant from Vietnam, Ngoc Le and his wife, Kelly, run a cell-phone and fishing-supply store in the city. On Dec. 31, they were working in the shop when a man came in and asked to buy a cellular-phone clip.
As Kelly Le turned her back, the man jumped over a counter and grabbed her, holding a knife to her throat. She called out to her husband, who was in another room.
In that room, he kept a licensed .380-caliber revolver in a drawer for protection.
What happened next was captured, on audio and partly on video, by a security camera in the shop.
Ngoc Le, holding his gun, pleaded with the assailant: "I'll let you go if you let her go."
But the attacker kept holding the knife to Kelly Le's throat and threatened, "I'll kill her." He moved, with the woman in his grasp, toward another room.
The tense standoff continued. Ngoc Le repeatedly told the assailant that he wouldn't shoot if the man released his wife. The attacker refused.
Ngoc Le was pointing his gun at the man from four feet away, but the man was using Kelly Le as a shield. At that moment, Kelly Le's knees buckled, and she slumped in her assailant's grasp. Ngoc Le saw his opening and fired once, hitting the man in the head, killing him instantly.
Perhaps 20 seconds had elapsed from the time the intruder jumped the counter until he was shot dead.
Ngoc Le's split-second decision turned out to have significance even beyond saving the life of his wife. DNA tests on the dead man, 32-year-old Antonio Diaz Reyes, proved that Reyes was the serial rapist who had attacked three women since November in broad daylight in Camden's central business district. He also was suspected of robbing a pharmacy in Camden at knifepoint.
There are too many illegal handguns in Camden, in Philadelphia and across the country. But this one episode is a perfect example of what law-abiding gun owners want everyone to understand in the never-ending debate over the Second Amendment. Privately owned firearms, properly certified and used responsibly, serve a legitimate - and sometimes life-saving - purpose.
You couldn't find a better place to illustrate this point, unfortunately, than in Camden. In addition to a rising homicide rate, the city of 79,000 had more than 800 aggravated assaults in 2004 and at least 750 robberies.
Commending Ngoc Le's deed ought not to be misconstrued as an encouragement of vigilante justice. He did what he had to do, on his own property, when his wife faced imminent grievous harm, and only after he gave his assailant an opportunity to live. No civilian in his or her right mind would want to be forced into that life-or-death decision. It is an awful thing to take a human life, no matter how desperate the situation or how despicable the victim.
It is not an argument for the death penalty, either; the government, in a court of law, has an option that Ngoc Le in that urgent moment did not have: to lock the rapist away where he could hurt no law-abiding citizens.
But this shooting, perhaps, is a symbol that the citizens of Camden have had enough. In that sense, if ever there was a right time for a justifiable homicide, this case was it. The city should recognize Ngoc Le in some official way for that heroism.
As if summoned by the sound of that single gunshot, federal prosecutors announced last week that they are riding to the city's rescue. A team of federal marshals will target the 50 most dangerous criminals in the city, and offenders who use guns will be singled out for federal prosecution.
This is welcome news in a city in which the working relationship between local and state police has deteriorated. U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie should be commended for recognizing the city's urgent need, especially after state Attorney General Peter Harvey balked at devoting more law-enforcement resources in Camden. Federal lawmakers will need to back up this promise with real dollars over the long term.
Speaking of money, there was a $30,000 reward for information leading to the capture of the serial rapist. Now that he's dead, the law firm that helped to put up the money has discussed donating the money to a battered women's shelter or a victims crisis center. Here's another thought: Why not split it among Reyes' victims, including Kelly Le?
 
Good for Ngoc Le!
He should be commended for his actions in reminding the criminal element that violent crimes can and will be met with violent resistance.

The only problem is that this article appeared on the editorial pages instead of page 1 or the first page in a section of the newspaper. Still, when the press is positive in a city like Philly, we shouldn't complain too hard. :)
 
Too many folks look down on Vigilante justice . I lived it . I was a commercial fisherman in Alaska not too many years after it became a state . The village of Sand Point was our base . The State Policeman came through about once a month . Sooner if there was a problem . The folks there would apprehend anyone that committed a crime and lock them in an empty tool shed of the Wakefield Fishery facility . The cop then came as soon as he could to transport .We did what we had to do to preserve law and order . There was NEVER a problem with our actions . You gotta do what you gotta do .
 
This column was a followup piece - the original shooting generated more prominent newspaper coverage, especially becaused the deceased was connected with a string of high profile crimes.

The newspaper which published this particular column isn't overtly pro-2nd amendment. Be great if this incident jolted some of the staff to reality.

Jeff
 
warm fuzzies

The tense standoff continued. Ngoc Le repeatedly told the assailant that he wouldn't shoot if the man released his wife. The attacker refused.
Ngoc Le was pointing his gun at the man from four feet away, but the man was using Kelly Le as a shield. At that moment, Kelly Le's knees buckled, and she slumped in her assailant's grasp. Ngoc Le saw his opening and fired once, hitting the man in the head, killing him instantly.
Perhaps 20 seconds had elapsed from the time the intruder jumped the counter until he was shot dead.

Well, he gave him ample warning. :)

cell-phone and fishing-supply store

Hmm, I'm imagining a Jackie Chan accent: "I'm sorry; you failed to insert another quarter...Conversation OVER - Boom!"
 
I think one of the major problems facing firearms freedom advocates in places like this is the fact that many people don't really understand what "vigilante justice" really is, and so they confuse it with simple self-defense.

You weren't engaged in vigilante justice in Sand Point, you were doing your duty as a member of society. You weren't self-appointed, you were acting in accordance with the law in cooperation with a duly-elected law enforcement official. You weren't meting out summary judgement and punishment, you were detaining criminals and delivering them into the custody of the State.

Bernie Goetz slipped from self-defense into vigilantism when he administered an anchor shot to one of his attackers, shifting from someone who was merely defending his own life against an armed thug to judge, jury, and attempted executioner.

Thinking about it, it seems to me that this corruption of the word "vigilante" could be one of the major hurdles facing us in anti-gun jurisdictions like DC, NYC, and New Jersey.
 
Why didn't Ngoc Le get the $30,000? When he called the police with the info about the BG bleeding in his floor the guy was about as captured as anyone could get!



And, ...I wonder where he came up with a .380 revolver.............?
 
"Bernie Goetz slipped from self-defense into vigilantism when he administered an anchor shot to one of his attackers, shifting from someone who was merely defending his own life against an armed thug to judge, jury, and attempted executioner."

Bernie Goetz was only found guilty of having an unlicensed handgun. NYS at that time had a law that stated if you were found in possession of an unlicensed hand gun it was a mandatory one year sentence. I also believe Geotz was the first and only one to ever be held to that law, criminals most certainly were not.
Goetz served 8-1/2 months of that sentence and was released.

kenny b
 
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