Why you should close your Pay Pal account

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In a message dated 10/22/2006 11:03:40 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, service@paypal.com writes:
Dear Gregory Allyn,

We appreciate the fact that you chose PayPal to send and receive payments
for your transactions.

However, your account has been limited for violating PayPal's Acceptable
Use Policy regarding Firearms, Weapons, and Knives. The Policy prohibits
the use of PayPal to send or receive payments for any firearm, in addition
to certain firearm parts and accessories, ammunition, destructive devices,
militaria and ordnance, weapons, and knives. The complete Acceptable Use
Policy addressing Firearms, Weapons, and Knives can be found at the
following URL:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=weapons

To appeal the limitation on your account, you will need to:

1. Remove PayPal as a payment option, as well as all references to PayPal,
including the PayPal logo and/or shopping cart, from your website(s),
http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976786389.htm ; and

2. Submit the online Acceptable Use Policy affidavit.

This is not intended to be an all-inclusive review or list of your Internet
sites in violation. Furthermore, the violations of the Policy described
above are not intended to be an all-inclusive list. It is the
responsibility of the user to ensure that all transactions comply with the
Acceptable Use Policy.

For more information about the status of your account and for instructions
on how to restore full use of your account, please login to your PayPal
account. We encourage you to log in and restore full access as soon as
possible. Should access to your account remain limited for an extended
period of time, it may result in account closure.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. If you have any
questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department at
aup@paypal.com.

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



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PayPal Email ID PP522


MY REPLY,,

Dear Sir, Ma'am.

You are violating my constitutionally guarantied rights. I am engaging in the lawful and legal transfer of sporting firearms through legal process put in place by our federal and local government. Wether or not the Pay Pal inc agrees with these transactions or not is besides the point. This is a CONSTITUTINALLY PROTECTED RIGHT!!

Please immediately close my Pay Pal account. Please immediately obtain a copy of the constitution of the United States of America. Please read said document and please realize that people have given their lives throughout the history of our great country to protect said rights.

Sincerely

Gregory T Allyn
 
You would have a far better argument if you had an argument.

PayPal cannot violate your constitutional rights, because PayPal is a private company, and because nobody compels you to do business with them.

While I support your stance on firearms ownership, you are doing yourself (and the cause of freedom) no favor when you wade into a fight without knowing the issue at heart. It makes you look uninformed, and harms your cause.
 
Applause!!!!

While Marko is correct in stating that they have not violated your Const. Rights, You are correct in your actions to not only close your account but to inform them why you did so. Just remember Ebay owns Paypal, therefore if you are going to boycott Paypal you should throw Ebay in also. I use Gunbroker myself. If gun owners keep looking the other way in regards to companys limiting their services to non-gun owners business it's just going to get more commonly accepted.
 
I use PayPal when I but or sell on eBay.Since they don't auction guns,how did they know what you were paying for from another entity?Just curious how they caught you.
 
Not limited to guns only---

The Policy prohibits
the use of PayPal to send or receive payments for any firearm, in addition
to certain firearm parts and accessories, ammunition, destructive devices,
militaria and ordnance, weapons, and knives. The complete Acceptable Use
Policy addressing Firearms, Weapons, and Knives can be found at the
following URL:

http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr...ide&ed=weapons

Paypal use is not limited to Ebay only.
 
Who really cares. I've used pay pal for lots of firearms transactions. All you have to do is mark the other box. They can't violate your constitutional rights, but you don't have to sit there and advertise what your doing either.
 
So you violated the terms of service, and they enforced them on you, and now you're throwing around false hubris about your constitutional rights being violated? I don't get it.
 
H&H, let's see, you signed up with Paypal via a contract where you agreed to abide by the rules of the contract. Paypal did not violate your Constitutional rights. It is more like you are in breech of contract...that is, you failed to follow the rules of the agreement you made with Paypal for conducting business with the Paypal service.
 
I doubt if eBay does this from any philosophical aversion to guns.Probably just a business decision to pass on this part of the market rather than get into any legal battle over some gun bought on eBay that gets into some idiots hands.I don't blame them.Lawsuits go where the money is.If the transaction is not on eBay I don't use PayPal,and did not realize a user had to tell them the contents of the purchase.Traditional credit card companies do not.In principle, I agree with the boycott.If a financial service wants to control what I buy using their service,perhaps I should use another.
 
I used pay pal one time took two weeks for the

computer person I was buying a computer from to get paid. I supose it works great if you use it at least once a week. I agree, if you agree to their rules you should go by them. You gave your word. I don't agree with their firearm policy and so am commited to not using them.

I suspect as stated above, it has more to do with lawyers than politics.
 
I just bought some gun parts for my T/C Encore from a company that uses paypal. I`m sure paypal knows what this company sells, so why are they not giving me or this company some policy crap?
 
Because they don't view the T/C as one of those evil assault wannabee rifles with a more than 10 round magazine.

Anyhow, Paypal not being gun friendly is old news. Their service, their rules.
 
I just bought some gun parts for my T/C Encore from a company that uses paypal. I`m sure paypal knows what this company sells, so why are they not giving me or this company some policy crap?
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Paypal will deal with companies that sell guns and gun parts, but do not allow certain gun parts to be paid for with their service...assuming they know.

H&H, hunter isn't being singled out.
 
I just bought some gun parts for my T/C Encore from a company that uses paypal. I`m sure paypal knows what this company sells, so why are they not giving me or this company some policy crap?
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Paypal allows the sale of gun parts except frames, receivers or "assault weapon" parts. Pretty much anything that can be sold legally in any state without an FFL can be paid for with paypal. If any state's law (regardless of where you live) prohibits the sale of the item then it's against their AUP.

Their policy appears to be written more along the lines of anti-lawsuit then anti-gun.
 
Which excludes any magazine over ten rounds of course. But with that limitation in mind you can buy all the ten rounders through them or Ebay you want...Their company - their rules.
 
First of all, I am the kind of guy who will admit when I've been wrong. And accusing PP of violating my 2nd A rights was wrong.

Fortunately this letter did not go through to PP and I've had time to write a more calmly composed and collected letter which with I will close my account.

When I signed up with Pay Pal several years ago they didn't have the no firearms clause in their TOS. It was very common practice to use them in firearms transactions.

I hadn't used the PP account in years and did not make a transaction through PP. Rather I included in the text of a classified selling a Steyr .376 Scout that I would accept PP.

That is where the letter came from. The rifle is listed on Guns America.

No matter the cause I am done doing business with PP. The liability in a firearms transaction is with the seller, the buyer and the FFL. It is a far stretch to assume that PP could be held liable for being a financial intermediary.

As far as the old "it's only business" excuse goes. Baloney, it's about time a few corporations and specifically politically motivated corporate execs are held responsible for their not so covert political agendas.

All of you guys are right about the non constitutionality of this subject.
 
Based on H&H's correction to his original rant (and the fact that PayPal's Firearms Policy is REALLY old news), I'm gonna close this one to avoid a long argument about a topic opener that has been recanted.
Rich
 
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