Why we have some much crime.

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Keiller TN

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I remember it was bad when if took 10 years to execute a crimial. Now it is 20 years. When it takes our system this long to punish criminal activity, increased crime is guaranteed. I base this on Ecclesiastes chapter 8 verse 11, "Because sentence against an evil work is not executed seedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil." No doubt, this is not the only reason for our crime problem. Even if we were perfect in carrying out justice, some would still choose criminal activity. However, since our government fails in this area, many politicians try to scape-goat guns.

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except the Lord guards the city, the watchman stays awake in vain." (Psalm 127:1)


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[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited August 05, 2000).]
 
Crime has been going down for ten years, though you'd never know it by watching TV, which has cranked up the level of violence as network ratings have dropped.
 
Could be due to a number of things like keeping such a huge prison population. When I was a kid in the '50s and '60s, crime was very low. I remember hearing about a rape (in Topeka, Kansas near where I lived) as a rare thing. Murders and rape are so common today that they receive little attention on the evening news.
 
Right on, Keiller. Back then the murder of a family of four was so outrageous that Truman Capote wrote a book about it that later became a great movie. Today such a story would be on the evening news and then disappear (except for the calls for gun control). The Lizzie Borden story captured the news around the world a century ago. Today it happens every week.

Guns, of course, must be the problem.

Dick
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When a entity decides to steal the natural resources of a nation, they know it will
take the destruction of the family unit
to acomplish their agenda.

Corrupt and evil elected officials

Incompetant bureacrats

Overzealous law enforcement

Manipulation of our money, through
oppressive taxation and
fractional banking (the cause of inflation)

Drugs

Immorality

Pornography

Easy access of Alcohol

The perversion of homosexuality/sodomy

Our children see these things in the home and on the street daily, what do you expect.

It takes diligent parents to teach and protect their children from these destructive
paths.

It starts in the home, and extends from there.

IMHO

Waterdog


[This message has been edited by Waterdog (edited August 06, 2000).]
 
Why do we have so much crime?

The great social experiment has failed.

I see the depravity of the streets every day I go to work. I see things people do to each other that I would have thought was a sick movie before I became an LEO. The USA has lost its morality.

I believe it all starts in the home. The late Dr. Spock has done more to damage this country than any other single person. Under our current laws a parent can go to jail and have their children taken away for a simple spanking (I am not talking about some of the sick child abuse I have seen). I regulary see people that cannot take care of themselves have child after child irresponsibly (why not we give them a raise). Between absent parents and not being able to discipline your children what do we as a nation expect?
 
Part of the problem is our society has gotten away from Pagan cultural values such as , if it harms no one do as thee will, and traded them in for Christian values. Take for instance the Carla Faye Tucker case, Pat Robertson said we should forgive Carla Faye Tucker and not carry out her sentence because she is a Christian.

Our legal system has gotten away from punishing the wrong doers in favor of Christian forgiveness by paroling the more violent criminals, and giving child molesters probation, because well Jesus forgives them, so let's just let 'em off and pretend it never happened. Tell that to the 15 year old boy who cannot sleep at night because he was raped three years ago by some pervert who is back on the streets. Tell that to the guy who has been out of work for six months because his leg was broken in a mugging for which the asailent received probation.
 
G50AE,

The "Christianity" you're talking about is not Christianinty; it's a twisted perversion. And, as you have said, it's wrong.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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I find it interesting that as Jesus hung on the cross next to two thieves, he mentioned nothing about the injustice of their executions.
 
When Jesus hung on the cross <B>between</B> two thieves, one of them remarked that they were getting what they deserved, and Jesus was not.

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Religious discussions haven't, in the past, served a purpose that is beneficial to the fight to keep our guns. They only distract us from the real issues at hand.

It seems to me that this topic is more about our criminal (in)justice system, and why it's not working.

Let's try to keep to that topic if possible. Praise or criticism for any religion is not appropriate in this forum.

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RKBA!
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[This message has been edited by TheBluesMan (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
Crime is bad because criminals know there is little chance of them being punished if caught. Probation, early parole, community service, light sentences in general. Sure, every now and then a judge will hand out a stiff sentence, but only if it serves them.
The corrosion of the family unit is another good reason. We have crack babies, unwed mothers, kids having kids, dad in jail or just gone, unlimited welfare, welfare rewards for more kids, lacks of discipline at any level, and no reason to have morals. If you have morals you can not rob your way to the top. We all know that getting that almighty dollar is the most important thing, right?
 
Ahhhh, but why is Dad in jail?

Some victimless unconstitutional "felony" charge?

I believe we're seeing more and more of this... after all, the government can only excercise control over "criminals". :rolleyes:

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
No mystery: Look at the way crime spiked during Prohibition! It's the war on drugs.

1. Diverts law enforcement resources, jail space, man-hours, away from the enforcement of laws against offenses with real victims. Here in Michigan, we've actually released murderers early to make room for pot smokers!

2. Vastly increases the money to be made in organized crime. When dealing drugs pays thousands, and flipping burgers pays hundreds, teens get sucked into a life of crime for rational economic motives.

3. Corruption of law enforcement. This takes several forms; First, the money is available to bribe cops. Second, plenty of oportunities to steal stuff on the side. Third, makes it REAL easy to frame someone when you can convict them on the basis of a minor item of physical evidence which you don't have to prove they had anything to do with. Fourth, civil forfeiture with the money going to the department.

4. Declining trust in law enforcement.

5. Creation of a large class of "safe" victims, who dare not go to the police when attacked.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Any serious effort at victimless crime enforcement is incompatable with a free, peaceful society. If you get REALLY harsh, you can manage an unfree, peaceful society, but usually you just get unfree and violent.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Crime is everywhere primarily an activity of males under 30. Lots of young males running around loose is always trouble. Any social system that does not constrain young men by obligating them (1) to Wives and Children, and thereby, (2) to Employment will have a high crime rate. Our welfare system victimized minority communities by undermining both obligations, causing families to fall apart or, more often, to never form in the first place. When family life becomes disorganized, neigborhoods and communities fall apart, too. When that happens, the informal social controls of mutual surveillance, expectation, and reaction are absent, and no quantity of formal controls (cops, courts, and prisons) can make up for that. Communities with low crime rates are not the product of lots of cops and long jail sentences, they are the product of well-functioning systems of informal social control, based ultimately on strong families. None of this in any way depends on the color of the people involved, as the degeneration of formerly stable working-class communities in the U.K. demonstrates.
 
I would add:

The loss of good well paying jobs that you can do with a high school diploma. It's be
burger flipper or C++ programmer.

Corruption of so called idols like sports figures and how this as fed back into high school sports.

The sexualization of our youth. Look at a Cosmo in the supermarket.

The war on drugs, of course.
 
My fundamentlist religious friend reminds me of one of the above posts. She thinks all criminals should get stiff sentences too, except for her armed robber son, that's different because "he's changed". I wonder how many times that senerio has played out in the courthouse.
 
Good thread, interesting opinions, I'll add mine. We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system which is easy to manipulate either economically or emotionally. The reason we don't have a common concept of justice because there are too many politicians who get elected and end up as law makers by pandering to 'political correctness' and fractional consitituancies.

There is no equal justice for all. If you are a person of means, you can buy your way out (or at least down to a lesser penalty), or if you're the right minority, you can get the weiners to let you off because of your circumstances. "Hate crimes" are a good example of a bad example. is it any more heinous to kill a queer, a nun, a black man, or a middle aged white business man. I can't see a good excuse to kill anyone (save self defense or maybe war). As long as we continue to pander to 'cultural diversity' and 'political correctness", things aren't going to get better. Wrong is worng, even if it is an over-40 black female disabled Vietnam veteran with a hispanic surname killing a gay native American Jewish small businessman. Do the crime, do the time. Noexcuses.
M2 - an opinionated boob and good at it!
 
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