boatmonkey
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why is it so much to convert a 10-22 ruger and ect to a full auto ?
8-10 k? its a 200.00 dollar gun at best .
8-10 k? its a 200.00 dollar gun at best .
FOPA '86 was a slow-motion ban on full-auto.
He's exactly right, unfortunately. The anti's couldn't outright ban the ownership of NFA firearms, but if they ban the sale of anything produced after a certain date (in this case 1986), then eventually all of these will be broken beyond repair and once they're all gone, we will no longer have any full-auto firearms to own (legally).
Are you telling me that if someone had their $14,000 serial numbered Registered DIAS destroyed, that they won't make a replacement and slap a seriel number on it?
I've wondered about that and how often it actually happens, since ATF can always bring in a metallurgy expert to tell the age if they really wanted to nail you.
Ever take a full auto to your friendly neighborhood gunsmith?
"what's to stop them from" changing a small rule here or there and confiscating your gun.
I was thinking about the legalities of if your lower is destroyed on an AR, then contact a manufacturer and order another with your own serial number, same as the old one...destroy the old one and you have a brand spankin new lower registered to fire full auto...
That's what they said at Nuremburg.ATF agents are just like soldiers, most are just normal people doing their job,
That's what they said at Nuremburg.
I was thinking about the legalities of if your lower is destroyed on an AR, then contact a manufacturer and order another with your own serial number, same as the old one...destroy the old one and you have a brand spankin new lower registered to fire full auto...
Prior to about 1999, you were required to sibmit a Form 5 to transfer your NFA item to any repair facility, including the original manufacturer; a second Form 5 had to be submitted and approved before the manufacturer could ship it back to you. So BATFE has records of all of the transferables which were ever returned to the manufacturer (many even plainly state "receiver replacement" as the reason).
The Big 3 firearms makers that would on request replace receivers of transferable MGs are Olympic, Colt and Bushmaster. So they simply cross-reference for those.
Receiver replacement happened a lot in the late '90s after passage of the so-called Assault Weapons Law. Because that law simply banned manufacture of AWs after a certain date, existing preban guns were not affected, and BATFE allowed replacement of damaged or faulty parts including receivers.
A lot of owners thought this meant they could also legally replace MG receivers, but the way the two laws were written was not the same. FOPA '86 –– which included the MG ban –– covered all machine guns, and made them all illegal for civilian ownership. But proof that the MG had been made and registered prior to May 19, 1986 was an affirmative defense against prosecution. Since the registered part of the MG is the receiver, that piece of metal must have existed as a registered MG prior to the '86 date. In the law's (and BATFE's) view, a replacement receiver –– even with the same serial number –– manufactured after that date is a post-'86 MG and cannot be owned by civilians.
When BATFE found out about Olympic's receiver replacement program, they shut it down. Colt never openly acknowledged that it would replace receivers, though there are obvious examples out there (the receiver forgings have features not available until after '86). Bushy didn't do as many replacements, but as we all know, they are out there.