Why officers shouldnt carry Glocks...

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Personally I have always felt Glocks were never safe for anyone to carry.
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Personally I feel you're wrong.

This article has been making the rounds. It's sort of like the old man that says those gosh-darned cars are far more unsafe than a horse. What's weird is that given the date of this article it's akin to making that horse vs. car statement in the 1970s. Glocks are already widely used and striker fired safe-action type pistols are the primary weapon of that vast majority of the trainers in this country not to mention most law enforcement agencies. Their popularity is the reason why the final holdovers of the DA/SA pistol developed and now offer striker fired pistols (those companies being SIG and HK, with Beretta supposedly also following suit). It's a bit late to say the sky is falling.
 
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Alright, so they shouldn't carry the M&P or XD that they all seem to be going to either. Let's all go back to revolvers with the 15lb double action pull.
 
I've carried Glocks since 1992 and they have never fired unless I pulled the trigger.
My Glocks have a NY trigger which increases pull to about 8 lbs; I appendix carry IWB and the heavier trigger is comforting given where the muzzle is pointed.
 
If you don't keep your finger off the trigger.....until you are ready to fire.....all bets are off, no matter what you are carrying. I would not want to depend on trigger pull or travel to keep me out of jail or bankruptcy.
 
I think Glocks are okay, but not my first choice. I do believe a Glock owner should take the necessary training to be safe with one, but that's true for any weapons platform. They don't fit my hand as well as other autoloaders and my personal favorite is the 1911, mainly because of that wonderful single action trigger. Surprisingly easy to conceal, especially for a full sized service automatic.

I figure if there was anything really wrong with the Glock platform, there are enough police forces as well as civilians who own and use them that it would have come to light long ago.

Probably not what I would recommend for a beginner-there is still nothing wrong with a 5 or 6 shot revolver and the manual of arms is dead simple.
 
what does trigger discipline have to do with law enforcement? either you can properly handle a gun or you cannot.


in case it was missed the first time. :rolleyes:
 
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Every gun design has its positives and negatives. When making choices we all have to weigh the pluses and negatives before we decide. There is a possibility any striker fired design with no safety could discharge unintentionally under the right conditions. Revolvers have done the same, although not as easily. Other traditional semi-autos will do the same even easier if the user forgets to engage the safety. And under stress I'd believe the possibility of forgetting to engage a safety is just as great.

When all the pluses and negatives have been tallied I believe a Glock gives LE officers the greatest chance to come home alive at the end of their shift. There is nothing else in current use that has anywhere near the track record of success.
 
Faulty products are made all the time. The Glock to me is a faulty product. Its just not made in a way which facilitates safety.
 
IMO this has nothing to do with Glocks but instead the lack of firearms training that most LEOs get.

In years past I got to know quite a few LEOs and none of them were "gun guys" and they looked at their yearly/periodic qualification as just part of a PIA of being a LEO.
 
It's all the rage for everyone to carry a 9mm Glock and that is the Gospel spewed on the Internet. I don't like or carry either.
 
Lol.

No one bashing the article seems to have actually read it. It is cited in the article that as much as 20% of officers instinctively put their fingers on the trigger in stress fire situations DESPITE being trained not to do it.

Where does a phenomenon like that leave all of the untrained goobers out there? Probably at 50% or greater being an ND just waiting to happen.
 
There is a possibility any striker fired design with no safety could discharge unintentionally under the right conditions.
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There is a big difference between a gun discharging "unintentionally" and "negligently".

I foresee this thread turning into a Glock hate thread. I hope I'm wrong.
 
Faulty products are made all the time. The Glock to me is a faulty product. Its just not made in a way which facilitates safety.
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The "faulty product" is most likely between the ears of a user that has a neglagent discharge with a Glock. Or any other firearm for that matter.
People drive cars, and trucks in a negligent manner, causing so called "accidents". Does that make them a "faulty" product?
People do dumb things on motorcycles, but in the OP's world motorcycles are probably also "faulty" products.
People use ATVs in ways that are not recommended by the manufacturer as mandated by the government. Are they "faulty" products because people use them in a manner that could be dangerous?
Blocks are no more "faulty" than any other firearm, and claiming so just gives cause for the anti-gun crowd to condemn them, and all guns.
Just quoting an anti gun article from the LA times, official Pravda of the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, is an example of a lack of knowledge about Glock, and most luxurious Kelly all handguns.
 
what does trigger discipline have to do with law enforcement? either you can properly handle a gun or you cannot.


in case it was missed the second time. :rolleyes:
 
IMO this has nothing to do with Glocks but instead the lack of firearms training that most LEOs get.

In years past I got to know quite a few LEOs and none of them were "gun guys" and they looked at their yearly/periodic qualification as just part of a PIA of being a LEO.
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THIS!!!!!
A Glock will be less forgiving then a DAO pistol or a revolver. It is however safer then a DA/SA pistol, IMO. I cant even guess at the number of times ive seen DA/SA pistols holstered with the hammer cocked. The user just forgot to de-cock after loading or a string of fire. Saw 1 gushot wound on the range based on exactly that.

So it seems to me there is a TRAINING problem, not an EQUIPMENT problem. The pistol is a mechanical device that must be properly handled or injuries will happen. Its not a function of the type of pistol, but rather the type of training.
 
I own two GLOCKs and use a G26 as my primary carry weapon. However, I will admit that in some ways GLOCKs can be more hazardous for some users than other handguns. While proper handling is important with any gun a fully loaded GLOCK is probably less forgiving of bad habits than a Berretta 92fs. Now, this is not the fault of the equipment, but the responsibility of the user to know how to safely handle whatever weapon they are using. So, buy the gun you feel comfortable with, learn to safely use it and don’t blame equipment for negligent actions.
 
One thing you can't buy a power tool without some sort of safety catch /device but you can buy a handgun without any safety catch. PS As most negligent discharges seem to be people unintentionally pulling the trigger. I see the trigger safety as about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike.
 
predictably the article blaming the gun for the operator's errors is in the l.a. times, just in case no one noticed.....:rolleyes:
 
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