Why not make a .40 cal mousegun?

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maxinquaye

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Or at least 9 mm? It seems to me that with the close tolerances of polymers today, etc there is no reason for a manufacturer not to have made a mousegun approximately the same size and weight as the P-32.
Don't get me wrong, I love my P-32, but I am not as confidant that it would stop the BG as I am in my Glock 27.
I would think it would not be that difficult to engineer a mousegun that fired .40 and keep it to roughly the same dimensions as the NAA guardian or P-32 size...say with maybe 5+1.

I know if it fired anywhere near as well as the P-32, damn the recoil, I'd pick one up!
 
The polymer really isn't the issue. A thin barrel to support all the pressure from a 40 is what would be most problematic in a .40 mousegun. The recoil would obviously be rough on a 10-15 oz compact 40. You'd notice that the width and length of just the barrel of a MK-40 is the same width and length of the entire slide assembly of a P-32... maybe even a bit longer.

Look at the Kahr MK-40.
Ben

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[This message has been edited by Ben (edited August 04, 2000).]
 
I think that after a certain point, opposing physical forces make things unacceptable. I had a MK40 and got rid of it -- couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. It wasn't the gun, it was me. It's just too powerful of a round to accurately shoot in such a small package. I own a S&W4013 (which is a compact .40 caliber) and a S&W4513 (which is a compact .45 caliver) and I don't have any problems shooting them, but once you bring it down to pocket-size, you start stretching the limits of what is practical. In the same way, I think the new Seecamp in .380 might also prove to be too much of a handful for such a small package.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking these guns as I think that they are very fine firearms. However, at least for me, I would have to devote a LOT of practice in order to shoot them accurately due to the powerful caliber AND the extreme small package that it comes it.

I would rather get a center of mass hit with an MK9 then just wing them with the MK40 (and/or get a center of mass hit with the Seecamp .32ACP then wing them with the Seecamp .380ACP).

This is just my $0.02 worth and you can take it for what ever it's worth.

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[This message has been edited by FUD (edited August 04, 2000).]
 
.380 Seecamp strikes me as an invitation to wrist damage :eek:

A very compact large caliber gun is likely to be uncomfortable enough to shoot that the user won't practice. The .45 derringers are good examples of that. Further, *really* short barrels mean keyholing at worst, poor accuracy at best. Big muzzle flash, heavy recoil and muzzle climb.

I would be curious about using something like a 38/200 round for a mousegun. Ought to work with low pressures and slight flash, though muzzle rise would be severe. Wounding effect would be mainly from the yawing of the long lead bullet.

Alternately, a long jacketed aluminum projectile with a little lead at the base fired at fairly high velocity. The idea would be to have it yaw on impact. Would be a relatively light bullet so recoil would stay reasonable even if muzzle flash won't.
 
I have to agree, I think the KelTec P11 is about as small as I want a 9mm, and I think the Keltec P40 is a bit unpleasant to shoot, so I doubt I'd practice much.

Given the felt recoil between my NAA Guardian and my Keltec P32, I'd say that Keltec could chamber a P32 sized gun in .380 and still have no more felt recoil than the Guardian or Seecamp in .32ACP. I'd buy one in a heartbeat! :-)
 
There's a gun called the Semmerling, I believe, which is a 5 or 6 round gun chambered for the .45ACP round. It looks like a semi-auto, but apparently you have to rack the slide forward to chamber each round each time you fire it. I beleve it's about the size of the Beretta .32 Tomcat. I've never shot one, nor have I ever handled one, but I believe this to be the smallest gun with the largest caliber, short of the derringers.
 
Bought a Kel-Tec P40 about a year ago. Took it out one time, put about 40 rounds thru it and it beat the living hell out of me!! Just too much gun in too small a package for me. Went back to the gun shop and traded it in for a 9mm P11 (love it!)
 
STI makes something like this in their LS-40. What a beast! It never did work for me. Most of the smiths that looked at it for me all agreed the round was just too much for the package. I never could make it reliable. And the recoil was just brutal. I normally go through 150 to 250 rounds of .45ACP in a single practice session. I normally don't have any issues with recoil. But after 50 rounds through the LS-40, my hands hurt like the dickens. I was done for the day.

I traded it for the same gun in 9mm, LS-9, and have never looked back. This one is just a joy to shoot. It is now my deep concealment backup gun.

Bubba
 
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